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AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

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AliceMaforethought · 20/08/2025 18:13

Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

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PinkZebraStripes · 22/08/2025 18:47

I agree. But also everywhere is getting less tolerant. I had a man be extremely rude to me when he thought I was pushing in front of a queue in him. He literally snapped and stared me down. I have never in my life had that from a man before. I had to say sorry I was just turning around from the counter (which I was). What I wanted to say was I'm not your enemy mate I just want a cheese baguette.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/08/2025 18:47

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61559357556953

To ensure a fair discussion, the Bath company have issued a statement and she isn't one of theirs.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 18:53

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/08/2025 18:40

And? That's maths, not an explanation. What went off the tracks?

Net migration fell massively in the last year, and most migrants don't come in boats nor are they seeking asylum. Most come to work, or study. The 2023 figure was vastly anomalous, but I'm sure you didn't chose it for that reason.

But I'm still struggling with this "going off the tracks" and what that means. Feel free to enlighten me. You'd like people not to come here to work, or to bring money in as students (you'll probably get that one as overseas numbers are falling, so higher education institutions are going bust)?

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/

That’s when immigration went of the tracks, I’m not sure what else I can explain. Is 100k not off the tracks? 200k, 300k, 900k?
what figure would you say is off the tracks?

I picked 2023 because that’s when it peaked, which is why I said peaked in 2023 at 900k. Ot has gone down this year, I don’t have the figures but I suspect this due a larger than normal amount of people leaving.

pointythings · 22/08/2025 18:55

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 18:38

There's another category and they think that an 'elite' is trying to change the demographics of the country. Some think it's a worldwide Muslim cabal ( similar to antisemitic tropes), some think it's a left wing conspiracy and there are others for example, Putin.

Aka the Tinfoil Hat Crew.

pointythings · 22/08/2025 18:57

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 18:37

@pointythings seems to fluctuate between being in favour of the huge demographic change and not. One thing is for certain, she is definitely not a racist. It’s got a bit confusing tbh.

I am neither in favour nor against. There are positives and negatives to everything. Demographic changes ard driven by many things, not just migration. Again, simplistic thinking.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 18:59

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 18:45

You think the governments of the UK are trying make white British a minority because they're addicted to cheap labour?

No, I think they are addicted to cheap labour and don’t care about the issues as it will be another Government’s problem. I think it might actually be this Government’s problem though. It’s the same with environment, infrastructure, education..all short term and kicking the can down the road.

TopPocketFind · 22/08/2025 19:00

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 18:38

There's another category and they think that an 'elite' is trying to change the demographics of the country. Some think it's a worldwide Muslim cabal ( similar to antisemitic tropes), some think it's a left wing conspiracy and there are others for example, Putin.

Cheered on by the ones who seek 'refuge' in the UAE?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 19:00

pointythings · 22/08/2025 18:55

Aka the Tinfoil Hat Crew.

Or the far right.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/08/2025 19:08

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 18:53

That’s when immigration went of the tracks, I’m not sure what else I can explain. Is 100k not off the tracks? 200k, 300k, 900k?
what figure would you say is off the tracks?

I picked 2023 because that’s when it peaked, which is why I said peaked in 2023 at 900k. Ot has gone down this year, I don’t have the figures but I suspect this due a larger than normal amount of people leaving.

I'm still not understanding. Are you saying there's some magic figure that is "too much immigration". Why was 1994 OK, but 2023 not? How did 2024 with for you? I'm genuinely confused because those figures indicate that most people are coming here, effectively, at our invitation to do our work or to pay fees and costs to study in our institutions. You don't want them to come? What will be the right figure? Who decided it? How? Genuinely interested. Just explain who, if anyone, should be allowed to come in your opinion, and why. What you think is the right number.

suburburban · 22/08/2025 19:12

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/08/2025 19:08

I'm still not understanding. Are you saying there's some magic figure that is "too much immigration". Why was 1994 OK, but 2023 not? How did 2024 with for you? I'm genuinely confused because those figures indicate that most people are coming here, effectively, at our invitation to do our work or to pay fees and costs to study in our institutions. You don't want them to come? What will be the right figure? Who decided it? How? Genuinely interested. Just explain who, if anyone, should be allowed to come in your opinion, and why. What you think is the right number.

The housing was more affordable and wages were reasonable. Also the roads are so overcrowded especially in the SE nowadays

we are told to be eco friendly and government want net zero yet they keep building on farmland for more housing.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 19:24

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 18:59

No, I think they are addicted to cheap labour and don’t care about the issues as it will be another Government’s problem. I think it might actually be this Government’s problem though. It’s the same with environment, infrastructure, education..all short term and kicking the can down the road.

Who is in favour of white people being in the minority in the UK? You said that people want a huge demographic change. Who?

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 19:25

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/08/2025 19:08

I'm still not understanding. Are you saying there's some magic figure that is "too much immigration". Why was 1994 OK, but 2023 not? How did 2024 with for you? I'm genuinely confused because those figures indicate that most people are coming here, effectively, at our invitation to do our work or to pay fees and costs to study in our institutions. You don't want them to come? What will be the right figure? Who decided it? How? Genuinely interested. Just explain who, if anyone, should be allowed to come in your opinion, and why. What you think is the right number.

Yes I’m saying there’s a figure that is ‘too much migration’. 900k people in 12 months is definitely too much, but I’d say net immigration of 30k is reasonable given the 10 million increase in the last decade. Do you not think there a figure that is too much? Genuinely interested

at our invitation to do our work or to pay fees and costs to study in our institution
Who's invitation? When were ‘we’ consulted? Do you really think people would agree to that sort of mass immigration?

In the interest of not being boring, can your reply not be more faux misunderstanding and instead some level engagement with what I actually write.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 19:30

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 19:24

Who is in favour of white people being in the minority in the UK? You said that people want a huge demographic change. Who?

Do you mind quoting where I said this? The only person who said this was @pointythings , she’s now clarified that I misunderstood that she not in favour of a British white minority only she doesn’t care if they’re a minority.

A small point, but important one, white people aren’t forecast to be a minority ..only British white.

TopPocketFind · 22/08/2025 19:33

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 19:30

Do you mind quoting where I said this? The only person who said this was @pointythings , she’s now clarified that I misunderstood that she not in favour of a British white minority only she doesn’t care if they’re a minority.

A small point, but important one, white people aren’t forecast to be a minority ..only British white.

Do you mind quoting where you get this from?

white people aren’t forecast to be a minority ..only British white.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 19:35

@ThatWaryOchreQuoter · Today 18:18

pointythings · Today 18:05
There isn't one. It's just that obsessing about skin colour does tend to make one look a bit racist. Whiteness isn't a proxy for cultural or intellectual superiority.

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There isn't one
I’m pleased to see you write that. There is hope for us all

MiloMinderbinder925 · Today 18:31

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · Today 18:26
Apologising for being in favour of white British people being a minority in Britain. It’s not often you get that these days.

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Who is in favour of white British being in a minority?

MrsWhisk · 22/08/2025 19:42

DeLaRuiz · 22/08/2025 13:13

There aren’t any white men that as a community all agree that women should hide their bodies and hair when they leave the house.
There aren’t any white men that as a community all agree that being homosexual should be banned and issue death threats to homosexuals if they try to be active or known as gay.
There aren’t any white men who as a community agree that women can’t be allowed to be home alone with a tradesman, and cant telephone a tradesman to make an appointment, and can’t freely answer the door of their own homes.
There aren’t any white men that are a community in agreement that women should be limited in their education possibilities.

It really isn’t “racism” to want to know exactly who is present. It’s sensible.

Two things, there are several religions with very similar rules to the above, Judaism and Plymouth brethren have several commonalities. But also, I assume you are taking about Muslim people, and again Muslims are not one huge amorphous group, many Muslim women work, don't cover themselves etc also there are definitely gay Muslims too. You would be surprised how much we all actually have in common when you can listen to each other

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 19:43

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 18:37

@pointythings seems to fluctuate between being in favour of the huge demographic change and not. One thing is for certain, she is definitely not a racist. It’s got a bit confusing tbh.

@MiloMinderbinder925 , I think you missed this earlier which is why you’re confused.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 19:46

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 19:43

@MiloMinderbinder925 , I think you missed this earlier which is why you’re confused.

I'm not confused, you're refusing to answer the question and before you say 'what question?' I've asked you several times about who wants to make white British people a minority.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 19:56

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 19:46

I'm not confused, you're refusing to answer the question and before you say 'what question?' I've asked you several times about who wants to make white British people a minority.

The answer to your question is pointythings, the user ‘pointythings’.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 19:59

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 19:56

The answer to your question is pointythings, the user ‘pointythings’.

I see. You're saying that a single poster on MN is trying to single handedly change the demographic of the UK and make white British a minority.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 20:04

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 19:59

I see. You're saying that a single poster on MN is trying to single handedly change the demographic of the UK and make white British a minority.

No. I don’t think anyone has said that. You jumped in a quote/reply conversation between two people and somehow have got very very confused.

Chickenbone123 · 22/08/2025 20:07

This is all getting a bit mad now is it not?

The original point of this thread is this guy has been sent round the internet accused of being a migrant pedo playing in a kids park.

That aside if we are talking about 1 million net migration a year, then yes of course British will be a minority at some point.

The discussion is really whether you’re pro or against that. Not that’s it untrue. The maths are simple.

TopPocketFind · 22/08/2025 20:10

You got anything more recent than 2010 and not behind paywall?

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 20:14

TopPocketFind · 22/08/2025 20:10

You got anything more recent than 2010 and not behind paywall?

I just googled and sent you the first two. You are acting like this is news to you?