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AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

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AliceMaforethought · 20/08/2025 18:13

Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

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PandoraSocks · 22/08/2025 14:11

suburburban · 22/08/2025 14:07

I mean as a society

Oh stop being wishy washy. Have the guts to say what you mean instead of pussy footing around it.

Sirzy · 22/08/2025 14:12

TopPocketFind · 22/08/2025 14:08

No, I can't

Who do we as a society bend backwards for?

To be fair as a society we seem to do a lot of bending over backwards to protect white British men. Especially those with money. Maybe that’s what she means?

suburburban · 22/08/2025 14:12

PandoraSocks · 22/08/2025 14:11

Oh stop being wishy washy. Have the guts to say what you mean instead of pussy footing around it.

i like being wishy washy😀

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 14:14

pointythings · 22/08/2025 13:59

I was born outside the UK. But I'm white and European so that's probably fine.

Fine with me. We had a referendum on staying in the EC

SleeplessInWherever · 22/08/2025 14:35

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 13:55

Permission from British people.

All of us? That’s a lot of people to be asking permission from. Would take ages.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 14:48

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 12:44

Identity politics:
a tendency for people of a particular religion, ethnic group, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics.

‘Racism’ is in quotes because what we are discussing on threads such as this does not fit the definition.

You knew this already of course.

The thread is about racism and a black man being accused of being a sexual predator while with his family is racism.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 14:50

SleeplessInWherever · 22/08/2025 14:35

All of us? That’s a lot of people to be asking permission from. Would take ages.

You reckon?

SleeplessInWherever · 22/08/2025 15:05

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 14:50

You reckon?

Depends on the question, but I cba answering it one by one for every migrant or person with a different culture.

I’ve got stuff to do.

pointythings · 22/08/2025 15:14

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 14:50

You reckon?

You haven't answered my question. Do you agree that what happened to the man in the article posted in the OP was racist?

LakieLady · 22/08/2025 15:36

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 13:43

I think those engaged with the wholesale demographic and cultural change of the U.K. should have obtained legitimate permission.

And where do you stand on death threats and harrassment of those working for agencies that support refugees, who are here legally?

YourFavouriteFalafel · 22/08/2025 15:42

DeLaRuiz · 22/08/2025 13:49

Do you feel all comfy inside, denying misogyny inherent in Muslim belief systems? Is it a nice safe feeling, telling everyone that you are sure there is no duplicity, masking, or “ passing” of Muslims when not amongst fellow Muslims?

And you like seeing women with fabric tightly clipped to their heads and all around their necks, and swathed in fabric from head to toe? All nice and comfy? Because it’s a great way for women to live?

Stop othering and speaking about Muslim women as if we are oppressed, suffocated weaklings. Hijab is so much more than just a piece of fabric tightly clipped to our heads. As well as being an important part of our faith, there is also so much history attached to these pieces of fabric. Many of our grandmothers started wearing headscarves and abayas because they discovered nothing defied the thousands of men who colonised their countries, and who tried to claim them, more than not being able to sexualise them. We are forever proud of their strength, and we learnt and continue to learn a lot from them through their horrific experiences so that nothing was in vain. To many of us, our hijab continues to be our strength and resilience, especially during troubling times. It is absurd to me, that in 2025, it is now our fellow women who mainly argue against the wearing of some extra fabric, and not men!

LakieLady · 22/08/2025 15:47

suburburban · 22/08/2025 13:46

I do feel sorry for my Dgc as I think they will become the minority in the UK

Why does it matter?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 15:50

LakieLady · 22/08/2025 15:36

And where do you stand on death threats and harrassment of those working for agencies that support refugees, who are here legally?

People who adhere to the Great Replacement theory don't care if refugee charities are threatened.

LakieLady · 22/08/2025 15:54

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 13:43

I think those engaged with the wholesale demographic and cultural change of the U.K. should have obtained legitimate permission.

I'm not seeing any evidence of wholesale cultural change.

And the Vikings and Normans brought about "cultural change", too, how far back do you want to go? What about people from Ireland who settled on the British mainland, they brought about a fair bit of cultural change, too.

Cultures change and evolve all the time, it's part of human life. If they didn't, we'd still be living in the dark ages. But hey, at least we'd all be white!

LakieLady · 22/08/2025 16:00

suburburban · 22/08/2025 14:07

I mean as a society

Let's try that again.

What "bending over backwards" does the UK do as a society?

RubySquid · 22/08/2025 16:39

thepariscrimefiles · 22/08/2025 14:03

What do you mean? What sort of minority? Do you mean because they are white? As the 2021 Census revealed that white people make up 81% of UK citizens, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Why on earth you would feel sorry for them even if it were true, I don't know. It's just scaremongering.

Out of that interest though how has that changed in people's lifetimes? Like the last 50 years?

User32459 · 22/08/2025 16:43

LakieLady · 22/08/2025 07:16

Just under half of asylum appeals succeed, which suggests to me that a significant proportion of initial decisions are wrong. The success rate used to be 29%, so either the quality of decision making has got worse or more people are aware that they have grounds for appeal.

To take an appeal to the Upper Tribunal, you have to have good grounds that the lower tribunal's decision was wrong in law, you can't just do it because you feel like it. And if you want to challenge an Upper Tribunal decision, iirc you have to get leave to have a judicial review, which again will only be granted if there is a lot of uncertainty about the UT decision.

They only need to appeal and quote ECHR and chances are some liberal judge will let them stay.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/08/2025 16:47

YourFavouriteFalafel · 22/08/2025 15:42

Stop othering and speaking about Muslim women as if we are oppressed, suffocated weaklings. Hijab is so much more than just a piece of fabric tightly clipped to our heads. As well as being an important part of our faith, there is also so much history attached to these pieces of fabric. Many of our grandmothers started wearing headscarves and abayas because they discovered nothing defied the thousands of men who colonised their countries, and who tried to claim them, more than not being able to sexualise them. We are forever proud of their strength, and we learnt and continue to learn a lot from them through their horrific experiences so that nothing was in vain. To many of us, our hijab continues to be our strength and resilience, especially during troubling times. It is absurd to me, that in 2025, it is now our fellow women who mainly argue against the wearing of some extra fabric, and not men!

Well said. I have many Muslim friends across the world. Some women wear the niqab, some the hijab, and some neither. Western women have spent decades fighting for the right to wear what we want, not to be judged by what we wear, and to have the right not to be attacked for what we wear. And yet the same women line up to remove that right from other women.

Sure, social and community pressures may influence some Muslim womens choices, but that is also true of many women in all societies. But it is the Muslim womans right to choose what to wear, and to resist any pressure to wear something she doesn't want to - that is their fight not ours. And they do.

Of course, in our much superior Western society, it is certainly never suggested that a woman deserved her treatment because of the way she dressed, or referred to as a slut or a slag because of her clothing.

suburburban · 22/08/2025 16:51

LakieLady · 22/08/2025 16:00

Let's try that again.

What "bending over backwards" does the UK do as a society?

Letting so many people come here in the first place is a good starting point

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 16:54

LakieLady · 22/08/2025 15:54

I'm not seeing any evidence of wholesale cultural change.

And the Vikings and Normans brought about "cultural change", too, how far back do you want to go? What about people from Ireland who settled on the British mainland, they brought about a fair bit of cultural change, too.

Cultures change and evolve all the time, it's part of human life. If they didn't, we'd still be living in the dark ages. But hey, at least we'd all be white!

how far back do you want to go?

30 years, I think that’s when things started to go really off track,

I don’t think comparing this to the Norman or Viking invasions does anyone any good. The Norman invasion was about 12 -50k people over 5 years. That would be about 2 weeks immigration in 2023. Similarly the Viking invasion was around 150k people over 350 years which would just be a normal July/August now. Nothing has ever happened to the UK on this scale before.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/08/2025 16:58

30 years, I think that’s when things started to go really off track

I'm nearly 68, and must have been asleep when it went off track. Would you mind explaining exactly what that means?

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 17:09

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/08/2025 16:58

30 years, I think that’s when things started to go really off track

I'm nearly 68, and must have been asleep when it went off track. Would you mind explaining exactly what that means?

In 1994, net uk immigration was about 45k. It steadily rose from then to a peak of 900k in 2023.

pointythings · 22/08/2025 17:13

RubySquid · 22/08/2025 16:39

Out of that interest though how has that changed in people's lifetimes? Like the last 50 years?

Out of interest though, why does it matter? I don't geg this obsession with whiteness. Why do some people think you're less British if you're not white?

pointythings · 22/08/2025 17:16

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 16:54

how far back do you want to go?

30 years, I think that’s when things started to go really off track,

I don’t think comparing this to the Norman or Viking invasions does anyone any good. The Norman invasion was about 12 -50k people over 5 years. That would be about 2 weeks immigration in 2023. Similarly the Viking invasion was around 150k people over 350 years which would just be a normal July/August now. Nothing has ever happened to the UK on this scale before.

Your figures on Norman and Viking influxes is meaningless without a per capita calculation, because as (I hope) you know full well, the population was much smaller then.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 22/08/2025 17:24

pointythings · 22/08/2025 17:13

Out of interest though, why does it matter? I don't geg this obsession with whiteness. Why do some people think you're less British if you're not white?

I don’t get the obsession with non whiteness.

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