National ID Cards

[Chakhakhan77]

Do you believe the government will bring them in? Keep seeing reports of this, freedom of speech slowly being taken away. Lots of videos of big crowds in city centres protesting about immigration. Are these AI videos? Are people/media exaggerating on the number of boats bringing people in? I don't know what is real anymore!

I carried a Military ID card for years so i am used to it. For those with mobile phones, Alexa Siri etc you signed away your privacy the day you started using them.

That's due to crap public sector procurement and crap "approved" contractors.

Done properly and efficiently, with clear scope and detailed spec from the outset, no reason why it should be failure.

Unfortunately, our public sector procurement almost certainly couldn't achieve that when you look at so many shambolic governmental level projects in this country!

Are we the only country that has dodgy people driving our takeaways about?

No but the Uk is one of the easiest places to get a job whilst being an illegal immigrant. It used to be called the Black Economy but I think it’s now called the Grey Economy. The French president was talking about it during his recent state visit and the government have said they are working on ways to stop it.

Let’s not pretend the government didn’t know about it , allowed it and even encouraged it for years and years. The amount of “we’ll find you work without a NI card and then (maybe,possibly, not actually) help you get one” agencies in London was absolutely huge some years ago.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-operational-partnership-with-delivery-giants-to-combat-illegal-working
HO is already working on something too.

I also do wonder what will all these people renting out their delivery accounts around the clock do when tax man comes....

The key to stopping out of control migration is surely to analyse why the UK is so attractive (this must be one reason) to migrants and targeting those areas.

I didn't used to fhink it was a good idea but i do now.

If all the businesses that were out there were legitimate (some money laundering goes on) and everyone paid tax as appropriate, then it'd probably be a good thing.

Are ID cards the way to do it?

How would an ID card stop some dodgy geezer delivering my takeaway? @LizzieSiddal
Surely it wouldn't do anything without an active monitoring system?

I’d also like to know how you feel / what is it that you’ve seen that would suggest an ID card will monitor you? You already have to attach your NI number to everything gov related, you have an NHS number for those services. Really not sure what the ID would do that can’t already be achieved by other systems.

Where I’m from we have national ID cards, those are given to you for free once you reach 18, you pay admin fees if lost or damaged or if you want one for a child for travel within Schengen. It’s not a requirement to carry at all times, but gives you access to services that require ID (such as applying for finance, proving your age etc) and what I find odd in UK is that you have to apply for a provisional or Passport if you want access to those things - in other countries where ID is issued automatically to its citizens, you don’t have to go out of your way to get the document.

E.g. the gig economy with apps like Deliveroo is pretty much always going to have hiccups when it comes to regulation. But perfectly, every delivery driver would have to register their ID card to their account, which then links their account to their identity. Drivers would be much more circumspect about hiring their account out to all and sundry, as is common now with those who don’t have the right to work, when they know that any misdemeanour is going to be linked back to their ID card and they’ll be considered the perpetrator.

I'd be quite happy to have ID cards as long as that was it and there was none of this needing utility bills to prove your address and other nonsense. Oh and tell Ryanair to accept them as photo ID!

It just needs to be the ID page from a passport or a driving licence type card without the licence bit.

I really can't see why it would be remotely difficult or why there is so much opposition.

I think an easier way (as the system already exists) is to generate a code through your government gateway to share with large employers. People with settled status generate those for any job application already to prove their right to work. It would be easy enough to implement this for anyone registering to work, just extend to a British national.

no, they spent millions on them once then scrapped the scheme

Exactly! It’s not just a bit of laminated cardboard. It’s the microchip, and anti - counterfeiting bits. the admin of filling out and checking the form. To make sure that its down in black ink and co-signed
there’s the PSA adverts.
theres the designing of it all and the website.

all of this would be paid by the taxpayer. Now which you would prefer less money in education, nhs & defence etc and cards? Or no cards

But it might be a wise investment if it stopped some illegal employment practices which rob us all of tax revenue. In many ways it would stop a lot of piss-taking.

So it’s not that they’re bad or we don’t need them, we’re just to incompetent to have them?

I think the normally cited concern is that inevitably they would become digital Id

While I dont think that you should be required to carry your ID card, I do think that you should be required to carry your driving licence when driving

Young Scot Cards.

In the same way that transportation companies are fined if an immigrant is caught in one of their lorrys, we fine McDonalds / coop / Pizza Hut if their food is found in the hands of a delivery driver that has no right to work (or be!) in the UK.

Yeah the system exists. Doesn't mean it works properly. And it took my employer number of tries to confirm. There are also number of people whose status went poof and they lost job offers.
EUSS without physical card is just another windrush waiting to happen. (HO loses/has data compromised quite often).

Physical card will always be better. I would always encourage people to have physical proof if they can.

Pretty much. In my head it will be another one of these big projects like HS2 say - I know different but still. Costs £billions inexplicably and no one really knows why. Then by the time all the working parties have made massive reports and started to roll it out. A new government will be in power who will look at the costings and scrap the whole thing and there will be an inquiry which will cost more money.

if it was basically just a card with id on it then fine, no issue with that. Carry my driving licence around most places anyway. But it won’t be. It will become this massive thing.

But how would a deliveroo driver producing a government gateway prove that it’s his and not someone else’s?

But we already have a department churning out bus passes. An ID card isn’t that different. The government surely already have this data. I had to add a passport number as ID on a recent bus pass application so the bus pass and passport people must be talking to each other electronically