To wonder what’s going on with all the big lips

[Laurendelaney1987]

Everywhere I go I see women with massive lips. It looks like so many women are wearing lip fillers.

i totally get that if you’re someone with really thin lips then you may want to plump them up, but I see this look on lots of women from their 20s to 60s.

Bit they are on the right face! I don't really notice dd's thinner lips, because she just kind of radiates a general loveliness. It's not her physical appearance, she's a genuinely, genuinely lovely person. Very unlike the rest of her family!

And generally, thin lips suit the face they're on. I said earlier, I'd like a smaller nose. But my face is quite long, so it probably wouldn't really work.

I hate this really narrow version of what beauty is. I also hate how women have to ascribe to being beautiful full stop. But to an extent, along young people, I guess it's biological. But then, biology just wants us to reproduce, and that's apparently all about the waist hip ratio and pheromones.

I think you have quoted the wrong person i didn't mention covid vaccinations. But now you ask, I think we got socially FORCED to have the covid jabs all fully instratrated by WHO and pharmaceutical companies. People were SHAMED and even threatened their jobs if they didn't do these injections.

But, by its very definition conventional beauty only applies to a narrow selection of women. Naturally occuring facial symmetry, clear complexion, good teeth, lustrous hair etc, etc is quite rare, hence it is valued.

If most of us looked like that then it wouldn't be considered beautiful.

I walked past a woman today and my immediate reaction was that I genuinely thought she'd been in some kind of accident because her face was all puffed up and her eyes were tiny with those big spidery Russian lashes. I had to look twice to realise it was intentional.
I always think it's quite sad and a sign of low self esteem that they feel the pressure to look like someone else.

Pete Burns has been dead for 9 years.

I don’t know how anyone can have acrylic nails /extensions not find their manual dexterity sorely impaired!

I’ve had a tiny amount of lip filler as I’ve always had a thin upper lip and due to aging half of my top lip virtually disappeared. If it’s well done, nobody notices. I certainly do not have a trout pout or a moustache. I did it for me and no one else. A responsible practitioner, like mine, refuses to do excessive fillers.

I can't help but to judge women with duck lips as having low self esteem and probably not being very intelligent nor being interesting persons. It's cognitive biais: it has proven to be right so far but I'm still waiting for someone to surprise me.

There’s a world of difference between someone who has small enhancements to make the best of their own features and the extreme look under discussion here.

In the first instance you’re not altering your appearance or losing your individuality. In the extreme version it seems to me that the aim is to obliterate your individuality and copy a thousand other clones, usually based on trying to imitate some YouTube influencer. And I suspect people end up losing all objectivity and can no longer see what they’ve done to themselves.

Lol! There are a lot of women at the gym I go to with that 'post serious car crash' look - each to their own I guess!!

I’d still argue that it’s an invasive technique with some known, and as yet unknown long term effects.

even if you only have “small”’ procedures filler can migrate, cause blocked arteries as pp have referred to.

so it’s not with out risk.

what I don’t like is the normalisation of cosmetic procedures like this, and I don’t agree that they are just “enhancements” to make the best of their own features. Most people’s features are perfectly fine without. In the vast majority of cases I personally think women look better without even make up.

whether it’s an “enhancement” is opinion.

most women start small. They don’t go for the massive lips straight away- most extreme looks grew gradually.

maybe we should focus on building self esteem and confidence in our natural looks. Who is telling us we need improvement and enhancement?

A lot of this has changed perceptions about what is considered 'conventionally attractive' though.

I'd say my 19 yo daughter and most of her friends are conventionally attractive by this metric.

But my daughter still talks about conventional attractiveness as though it something that has eluded her, when they are all so 'conventional' as to be almost unremarkable.

I mean none of them is 'perfect' but they can't see that those differences are what makes them beautiful. Instead, it's what lets them down and makes them 'ugly'.

And, perversely, it seems the more conventionally attractive they are, the more they aspire to this unnatural, homogenised 'perfection'. As if its only one tweak away...

Fortunately, they've all steered clear of procedures and i hope that continues, but they see these unnatural represenations of women and attractiveness and have almost internalised that that is what they should look like. Even when they simultaneously acknowledge it looks ridiculous.

And this isn't anything I could have prevented. We've had the conversations, I don't have any treatments myself, access to SM was controlled and, yet, here we are. Because its everywhere.

what I don’t like is the normalisation of cosmetic procedures like this, and I don’t agree that they are just “enhancements” to make the best of their own features. Most people’s features are perfectly fine without. In the vast majority of cases I personally think women look better without even make up.

I agree.

I'm 51 and rarely wear make up. I haven't for years. I know how to apply it and so I don't look 'worse' wearing it, just slightly different. But definitely not 'better'.

Everyone is doing it, that's the problem (well almost everyone) im in my 40s and im surrounded by other women, my age and older that have wrinkle free foreheads, I feel a bit left behind tbh! Its like the weight loss injections now, its growing and growing im sure overweight women now feel such a massive peer pressure to get this expensive intervention.

A silly thought but maybe not so silly…

When I see someone with really heavy makeup, huge eyelashes, loads of contouring and glutinous lip gloss- oh and very ‘done’ hair - I just think that if the idea is to please a partner, what’s the scenario when they inevitably see you in your natural state? Surely that defeats the object? It must be a shock.

A friend of mine said that he didn’t recognise his bride on their wedding day because of her professional makeup and elaborate hairstyle. He turned to look and gasped, but not in a good way.

i think it’s healthier to keep it real😀!

Photo to follow when it’s approved. Can the experts on this thread tell me if they think these lips are filled?

@catin8oot5 you can't tell from that photo. My lips aren't filled but would look like that if I pulled the same expression

Like most tweakments things are far more obvious in real life/motion.

And, perversely, it seems the more conventionally attractive they are, the more they aspire to this unnatural, homogenised 'perfection'. As if its only one tweak away...

The homogenisation makes it so boring though. I always think most of the famous beauties have a slight flaw because originality is beautiful. Also features despite not being perfect sometimes just work really well together.

I think they are filled.

I see a slight pout, and the lips look smooth without the vertical creases - that’s what I’m basing my guess on!

Could also be the expression & the photo quality is hardly detailed hence why I said it's too hard to tell.

I’d need to see you speak- but I think it’s a trick question and it’s not filler it’s a “lip flip”. Where Botox is used to turn up the top lip and make it look fuller.

but I’d say there’s been some sort of “enhancement”. Although the expression doesn’t help, it could be an “insta pose” to make lips look fuller.

the top lip being an equal size to the bottom usually indicates work done.

the top lip being an equal size to the bottom usually indicates work done.

My lips are equal size, it isn't that uncommon.

Looks like it at first glance.