To wonder what’s going on with all the big lips

[Laurendelaney1987]

Everywhere I go I see women with massive lips. It looks like so many women are wearing lip fillers.

i totally get that if you’re someone with really thin lips then you may want to plump them up, but I see this look on lots of women from their 20s to 60s.

@Feelinglost10

Also - we just don’t know what the longterm effects will be of injecting all kinds of weird gunk (and botulism bacteria) into our bodies. I wouldn’t risk it.

Some procedures turn out to have dangerous side-effects which only manifest years later. That’s why pharmaceuticals take so long to develop because of th3 years of testing. But the beauty (so called!) industry is notoriously unregulated and there are some very dodgy practitioners out there.

I think it’s a worry, and I assure you from the bottom of my heart that I am NOT jealous of anyone sporting rubbery, blubbery lips and all the side-dishes that go with it!

To assume women express opinions on other women purely because they’re ‘insecure’ is also assuming the women having the opinions passed on them believe they have something about them that incites insecurity in other women… which is pretty vain.

As you’ve explicitly said above: ‘… A beautiful woman certainly doesn’t care what another less beautiful woman looks like…’ - is the apparently ‘more beautiful woman’ knowingly imagining herself as being the ‘more beautiful’? Surely that’s the ultimate definition of one woman passing judgement on another woman, isn’t it?!

The fact women have opinions on ANYTHING but the ONLY thing we’re supposed NOT to express an opinion on - according to many women - is what other women look like is self-defeating: it’s only by forming, developing and debating opinions on one another’s looks, personal style and aesthetic choices that fashion and, indeed, fashions exist at all.

I agree some of the poutier ones are really unnatural and gross looking I know they get thinner as we age what happened to simply using lip liner sometimes it’s like a disfigurement
and probably needs redone more often as you age
what happened to growing old gracefully?

@Tabitha005

Quite!

The trope that all criticism must be due to jealousy is very tiresome, and tells you a lot about the person who thinks it does!

Yes absolutely!! No one thinks it looks good, it makes women look like clones, or worse which I wont say.

Jealousy? 😜 They look like clowns 🤡

Oh I’ve seen many a thread on here with negative opinions on women’s “natural” look.

body hair? Disgusting, dirty and unhygienic.
no make up- looks tired and ill
untidy eyebrows, manicured nails- not taking care of yourself.

etc etc. you only need to read the threads on Pamela Anderson.

if we really thought it looked good, there’d be no need to be jealous, we’d all just go and get it done. It’s easily available, I could nip down a salon tomorrow. There’s always people wanting “ models” on my local fb page, so it’s not a shortage of options.

i don’t like it. So I don’t get it done. Not going to say it looks good though, and I have a suspicion long term we will see consequences.

even those who think it’s “subtle” and “enhancing”. It’s not. It makes your mouth move differently and I, as a lip reader, can always tell.

Beauty is subjective of course. But I think that fifteen years in the profession have warped your idea of what truly ‘beautiful’ might be. Your misogynistic talk of plain Janes and frumpy women suggests a degree of brainwashing by the sexist industry, and you now view a more natural look with contempt. Which is pretty sad.

You are the one running down women here. Other people are largely critiquing the industry and the pressure on women to look a certain way. It’s worth considering whether you are part of the problem.

Btw I am in my mid fifties, love style and fashion, and still look pretty damn good, with no ‘work’. You can choose not to believe me ;-)

@Feelinglost10 but this plastic fantastic look is only considered 'beautiful' among a certain sub-set of women. You very rarely see female student doctors, or barristers doing their pupillage with this sort of 'look'. Neither do you really see these sort of faces on the covers of true high fashion magazines.

Is the same difference between a white Range Rover Evoque with private plate and an Aston Martin Vantage.

@Feelinglost10 but this plastic fantastic look is only considered 'beautiful' among a certain sub-set of women. You very rarely see female student doctors, or barristers doing their pupillage with this sort of 'look'. Neither do you really see these sort of faces on the covers of true high fashion magazines.

Is the same difference between a white Range Rover Evoque with private plate and an Aston Martin Vantage.

Exactly. I’d make a guess that the demographic which favours the over-pumped lips, caterpillar eyebrows and Turkey teeth is mostly not an educated or privileged group.

I did read that some actresses time their Botox injections around filming so they can show the required emotions then immediately get frozen again before the wrinkles turn up.

I've been to see the nurse today at the GP practice for my asthma review. She's very slim, tanned with highlighted hair, eyelashes like a camel, Scouse brows and long plastic fingernails. No lip fillers though. I don't want to see them next visit. My dental hygienist is similar. Not my doctor or dentist though.

I don’t think lips with filler in them look remotely like naturally full lips either. The latter looks lovely, but it's not something you can emulate and fake.

Sex dolls? I don't like to put words in your mouth, but that's certainly what I think when I see the pumped-lips-with-false-eyelash-and-contouring look.

It’s a bit of a pet interest of mine, obviously, because I use facial movement to “hear”.

if you watch the vast majority of actresses foreheads do not move. At all. Not a crease or a wrinkle.

they may have some of it “relaxed” for tfilming but it’s entirely normal now.

go back and watch film and tv from the 80’s and it’s quite a shock to see women- and men too tbh - frowning, showing surprise etc and watching the forehead wrinkles appear. Plus their top lips move as well- films with smoking in! I wonder if actresses with Botox and filler can smoke? Would their mouths be able to make the small o shape?

it’s quite fascinating 😂

Yes that! Ha ha but also a bit transy?

Actually I’ve always thought drag queen.

the massive lips with lipstick outside the lines, huge eyelashes, heavy contouring, heavy make up- have we entered some parallel universe where young women’s beauty ideas are being inspired by men made up as women?

Yes definitely! I think that's what I meant, just men trying to look like women in general.

My sons gf (21) is very natural, hardly any make up at all, even on a night out. All her friends are the same, they are at Uni in Edinburgh however, so I think it's true that it's part of a social demographic thing.
In contrast where I work in Glasgow there are a lot of late 20's early 30's women from more working class areas and they are filled and botoxed up to their tattooed eyebrows.
I do hope it's a fad and in the way out.

I know an author of women's contemporary fiction, I've known her for a long time and she's changed massively since turning 60. She's lost weight and had work done, Last time I saw her she had a trout pout and I saw a post she put on Instagram recently she's now got turkey teeth.

That reminds me of a lyric in a Beatles song;
"Well you should see Polythene Pam,
She's so good looking but she looks like a man."

Now every time I see these girls I'm going to think "polythene pam" 😂 (slang for sex doll for those who don't know).

Lol polythene pam!! 😂

Makes sense I suppose. If huge shiny lips are supposed to look like vaginas then tiny little puckered lips are ... well. All the guys are into anal these days, right?

Ok so all this is wrong. Sorry but I can't let this misinformation pass.

Firstly, fillers are mainly made with hyaluronic acid which does occur naturally I agree but which DOES NOT dissolve - ever. It migrates to other areas of the face and body. Most disturbingly often into the lymphatic system where it causes dangerous blockages that are permanent. These blockages affect your immune system and have been linked to cancer.

Secondly. The substance used to dissolve fillers is called hyalouronidase and is untested and unregulated and destroys not only fillers but your own naturally occurring hyaluronic acid leading in some terrifying cases to the skin becoming so weak it literally starts falling off the bone and hanging loose.
It's not worth it.