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To ask those who are not white brittish how they feel about the flags?

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PicaK · 18/08/2025 13:32

Birmingham and Tower Hamlets are having St George England flags put up by privately funded groups.
I'm horrified by the implicit racism. I've seen a lot of white people applauding this and "time we took back the country" comments.
I haven't seen many non white people commenting. My feel is that they are too intimidated to do so. Am I right? Or is it indifference or is it that you're dealing with racism on a daily level and this is just one more thing.
Please don't post if you're white.whatever you feel about the flags. I want to hear on white viewd

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LakieLady · 18/08/2025 19:36

Mightymooo · 18/08/2025 15:22

I think it depends on the context. They've been attached to lamp posts down Epping high street following all of the recent protests regarding the asylum seekers being housed in the Bell Hotel. It feels like a deliberate attempt to intimidate the people staying there. I wouldn't blame any other non white people in the town if they felt intimdated too. Tbh, they way some of the protestors have behaved, it's a bit intimidating to the white locals as well

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It's the prevalence of use of the flag by far-right xenophobes at this and similar demonstrations that has tainted it for me, I'm afraid.

When I see the flag in a garden, on a car or in a window now, my first thought is "Are they racist cunts?", followed by "Or is there some football tournament going on?" I felt the same about the Union Jack for years, after seeing the massed ranks of National Front supporters carrying the flag at a march in Lewisham in the 70s.

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:37

miraxxx · 18/08/2025 19:35

Right, this bullshit about everyone and his pet dog being Palestinian when historically the name was imposed by Roman colonialists on a defeated jewish people.

St George’s mum was born in Palestine and he was born in modern day Turkey. Cry about it.

miraxxx · 18/08/2025 19:37

Serpentstooth · 18/08/2025 19:33

Sorry to intrude, white British woman here, English, specifically. I dislike the Crusader's flag. It's insulting on so many levels I dont want to see it. It's just another way of pandering to racists and allow them to shrug their shoulders saying 'ooh, I don't know what you mean' whilst smirkingly confirming that they do know.

Quite fascinating to see the ahistorical takes on why a certain cohort hates the English flag so much.

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:38

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 19:36

An echo chamber.

It is if I want it to be 🥰

browneyes77 · 18/08/2025 19:38

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 18:45

You pair of riff raff 😆 🤣 Kings Heath, here x

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😂😂😂

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 19:39

miraxxx · 18/08/2025 19:37

Quite fascinating to see the ahistorical takes on why a certain cohort hates the English flag so much.

Signalling virtues is way more important than standing up and being counted. Not all of us are so weak, that we cave into emotional guilt tripping. It happens a lot, on here.

Arlanymor · 18/08/2025 19:40

Beachtastic · 18/08/2025 19:15

I blydi LOVE y Ddraig Goch! I't's the best flag in the world. Just feel a bit sorry for schoolchildren asked to draw their national flag 😬🤣

😆Me too! Yes it does end up rather mangled - my closest attempt as a child was a kind of cross between a dog and a lizard! 😂

HonestOpalHelper · 18/08/2025 19:40

Eastie77Returns · 18/08/2025 19:17

I’m Black British. I was talking to a Black friend the other day and we agreed that seeing the Irish, Scottish or Welsh flags flown doesn’t trouble us in the slightest but neither one of us would ever step foot in a pub that that the Flag of St George or Union Jack on show and we both feel uneasy when we see houses with the flags displayed. This is due to our lived experiences of facing racist abuse from people carrying those two flags.

All that said, if people in this country want to fly those flags then they should be able to. I was born here but my parents were not and I don’t (as far as I know) have a drop of English blood in me. I see this as a White, English country, I don’t really feel ‘part’ of it a meaningful way and I think the English should be allowed to crack on with displays of national pride if that is what is desired. I kind of look at it all with disinterest and sometimes with a bit of bemusement.

I'm sorry you don't feel part of the country, I'm white British and I don't want anyone feeling un-welcome who lives here, regardless of their heritage.

Take faith from the fact that Britain isn't traditionally very good at racism, most people just want to get on and lead peaceful lives, we have a long roll call of fascist "movements" from Mosleys brown shirts, through the National Front, BNP etc. None, thank god, has ever got any real traction, because most brits just aren't that way inclined.

miraxxx · 18/08/2025 19:40

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:37

St George’s mum was born in Palestine and he was born in modern day Turkey. Cry about it.

Then he was of jewish origin (as was Jesus) and many of the early christians because Palestine was inhabited by Jews then. Does that make the flag more or less suspect to you lot? You are so incoherent that one can hardly tell.

JudgeJ · 18/08/2025 19:43

tempnew · 18/08/2025 13:45

OP I think you are right. As a non-white British person I do instinctively think of it as belonging to the far right. That may well not be fair of me but that is the feeling I get.

I do instinctively think of it as the flag of St George, it flies on our St G's church in the village and no-one seemed to object to it at the Euros.

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:43

miraxxx · 18/08/2025 19:40

Then he was of jewish origin (as was Jesus) and many of the early christians because Palestine was inhabited by Jews then. Does that make the flag more or less suspect to you lot? You are so incoherent that one can hardly tell.

Ok Mira 🤥 also remember I already said, I have no issue with the flag or any flag. I just find it funny.

Livelovebehappy · 18/08/2025 19:45

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:28

You’re reaching. The irony of your handle is absolutely astonishing given your prejudice! To think that holding a Palestinian flag in solidarity with those currently being starved and murdered, to call for their freedom, is somehow is an attempt to intimidate a religious group as opposed to being of the mindset that all people deserve freedom and basic human rights.

The irony. There were many protest marches at the very beginning of this happening in Oct 2023, prior to the current situation in Gaza. Whereby protestors were intimidating Jews on the streets of London, with anti Semitic attacks regularly taking place. The displaying of the Palestinian flag in a threatening way goes way back.

miraxxx · 18/08/2025 19:46

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:43

Ok Mira 🤥 also remember I already said, I have no issue with the flag or any flag. I just find it funny.

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Miraxx if you will. Mira isnt my name by any stretch. You wouldn't like me calling you other would you?

JudgeJ · 18/08/2025 19:46

miraxxx · 18/08/2025 19:37

Quite fascinating to see the ahistorical takes on why a certain cohort hates the English flag so much.

Because it's 'right on' to deride anything English, personally I loathe seeing the Palestinian flag that seems to be obligatory for some people with little understanding.

JudgeJ · 18/08/2025 19:47

MavisandHetty · 18/08/2025 18:04

For those referring to the stars and stripes: the comparison would be to the Union Jack. The flag of St George's closest comparison would be the Confederate Flag (although not quite so extreme).

Where's the Bollocks button?

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 19:48

Amazed at how it's only the English that are racist. Welsh, Scots and Irish flags don't pose a threat? Who'd have thought that the world's population of racists live in England. No wonder we are so overcrowded. The irony is, of course, is that there's a lot of judging going on, here. So easy to bash the white English man or woman.

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 19:48

JudgeJ · 18/08/2025 19:47

Where's the Bollocks button?

😆 🤣

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:49

miraxxx · 18/08/2025 19:46

Miraxx if you will. Mira isnt my name by any stretch. You wouldn't like me calling you other would you?

I literally couldn’t give two shits if you call me other.

I’m only concerned with your complete and utter lack of history and the boldness of your claims considering how wrong you are 😅

Chocolatefreak · 18/08/2025 19:49

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 19:35

Comparing the flag of St George to the Swastika is an insult, to all those who suffered under Nazi oppression, as well as being hugely offensive to the English.

Are you naive enough to think it's not going to happen? We're practically there. Reform candidates in Doncaster posted extreme right wing memes, neo-Nazi material and Hitler quotes. So have candidates from Sussex and Richmond.

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 19:50

LakieLady · 18/08/2025 19:36

It's the prevalence of use of the flag by far-right xenophobes at this and similar demonstrations that has tainted it for me, I'm afraid.

When I see the flag in a garden, on a car or in a window now, my first thought is "Are they racist cunts?", followed by "Or is there some football tournament going on?" I felt the same about the Union Jack for years, after seeing the massed ranks of National Front supporters carrying the flag at a march in Lewisham in the 70s.

So you're being judgemental and prejudiced about people you don't even know. Hmmm...

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 19:51

Chocolatefreak · 18/08/2025 19:49

Are you naive enough to think it's not going to happen? We're practically there. Reform candidates in Doncaster posted extreme right wing memes, neo-Nazi material and Hitler quotes. So have candidates from Sussex and Richmond.

Wondered when we would get round to Reform 🥱

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:51

Livelovebehappy · 18/08/2025 19:45

The irony. There were many protest marches at the very beginning of this happening in Oct 2023, prior to the current situation in Gaza. Whereby protestors were intimidating Jews on the streets of London, with anti Semitic attacks regularly taking place. The displaying of the Palestinian flag in a threatening way goes way back.

The persecution and degradation of Palestinian lives goes back much further I can assure you.

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 19:52

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:51

The persecution and degradation of Palestinian lives goes back much further I can assure you.

Once again, there is a dedicated Conflict in the ME board.

miraxxx · 18/08/2025 19:53

MumWifeOther · 18/08/2025 19:49

I literally couldn’t give two shits if you call me other.

I’m only concerned with your complete and utter lack of history and the boldness of your claims considering how wrong you are 😅

I think you would do well to read a book other than the prescribed religious texts. Do look up when the the name Palestine was imposed and by whom. Do check when and where St George lived. Turkey was not a country that existed then.

VisitationRights · 18/08/2025 19:53

I am happy to wave the Welsh flag and the Union Jack (Scottish one too from time to time). I think it is sad that it is controversial to fly the English flag in, checks notes, England!?!

I find it much more offensive offensive to see terrorist flags (hamass hezbollah) at the weekly hate marches

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