To ask those who are not white brittish how they feel about the flags?

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Birmingham and Tower Hamlets are having St George England flags put up by privately funded groups.
I'm horrified by the implicit racism. I've seen a lot of white people applauding this and "time we took back the country" comments.
I haven't seen many non white people commenting. My feel is that they are too intimidated to do so. Am I right? Or is it indifference or is it that you're dealing with racism on a daily level and this is just one more thing.
Please don't post if you're white.whatever you feel about the flags. I want to hear on white viewd

It's a joke
Google "Stewart Lee just for saying you're English. "

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Research the group that are putting up Palestinian flags. They certainly are racist.

Absolutely. Only in the UK people are not allowed to be proud of their flag for fear of being racist!

Yes 🏰🏯

Maybe the Palestine flags were removed due to the intent of the people flying them? Ie, in an anti semetic and appeasing terrorist kind of way. Which also has no place in any city within the UK. The flying of that flag intimidates Jews, and implies the people displaying them are supporters of the terrorist group Hamas.

Hear hear.

I see the OP hasn't returned. 🙄

Sorry, but wtf are you talking about OP? Is this for real? Or are you just trying to provoke? How the f-k is flying the flag of your nation ‘racist’? The St George flag is a symbol of my English identity, and the Union Jack is a symbol of my wider British identity. If someone of African or Asian heritage wishes to join me in that identity, then they are welcome. It doesn’t exclude them at all. I know people of African and Asian heritage who are more British than the British.

I have no wish to “embrace a new, more progressive identity,” as various smug, bullying, sneering liberals keep telling me. I already have an identity thanks. My great grandfather was twice wounded in WW1 and my grandfather joined the RAF after the fall of Dunkirk in WW2. I can trace my family roots in these islands to the 14th century. I don’t need some sanctimonious, overgrown student dictating who I am to me. I already know.

Deliberately obtuse, like I said

By me? What does that mean?

Only in England.....

My Lithuanian neighbour has Union Jack and St. George flag cushions in her car, she loves living here 🤷

Yes. People can weaken their arguments and make themselves look foolish by not taking literally 2 seconds to check spellings.

There are weekly anti asylum protests where I live, making that area a no go for my mixed race child.
They're claiming to be protecting 'our women and children'.
Not in my name.

It's pretty clear that's not what it's about, though is it. It doesn't take much research to find out the intention behind it. Our grandfathers were fighting facism after all

Our grandfathers would be horrified at the division in our country now. This is not what they fought for.

Ah. But no explanation on why it might be obtuse to assume that maybe the Palestinian flag is being flown to intimidate the Jewish population in Birmingham? And apparently a leaked memo indicated that the council was slow to remove the Palestinian flags due to verbal and physical threats made when council workers attempted to take them down. Which kind of explains the intent of those flying them - and also explains their character….so as much as you want it to be the case, I really don’t believe that racial harmony exists in your city.

I am British Asian. I don't really think anything of it tbh. I agree with other posters that if racist people are using it with nefarious motives then we should claim it back. Fly it everywhere.

FGS! If you want to be taken seriously, take 2 seconds DS to proofread- capital B for British and only one T.

The flag itself is patriotic and nothing to do with racism The comments you mention are. If you went to Italy and saw Italian flags in the street what would your impression be?.

The Nazis didn't use the German flag, they invented the swastika flag, which of course became the German national flag for the period of the Third Reich

It's true the nazis stuck the swastika on a flag, @TonTonMacoute, but surely you're not suggesting they invented the symbol itself?

No they were fighting xenophobia and being invaded.

It is not remotely reminiscent of Nazism and I find that comparison quite offensive.

Many other countries display their flags proudly all the time. It doesn't have to be just for Jubilees, War memorial days or sports events.

@Blinky21 As others have said though, if you visited Ireland, Scotland or Wales and saw some flags flying, would you assume that the flag fliers were racist?

It doesn’t make sense tbh.

I'm English (white if that matters or for those of you that it does). We should fly the flag at every possible time, we (all of us who are English) should be proud to be English and British. We have an amazing heritage, centuries of history. Just off the top of my head:-

Nicholas Winton
Alan Turing
Charles Babbage
Isaacs Newton
Winston Chirchill
Rosalind Franklin
William Shakesphere
William Wilberforce

The English and British have shaped the world. We've lead on human rights and anti slavery. We have tradition of welcoming and helping those in need. We innovate and invent. Why should anyone us be ashamed of our flag. We should be proud of where we come from or where we've moved to (if originally from somewhere else). Maybe it would bring us all together if we could share that pride and promote that rather than or as well as all the flags. Is there really anything wrong with being English and Gay/ British and Gay and flying both flags or English and Pakistani and flying both flags etc? It would show and mean we all have something in common or to unite us.