Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask those who are not white brittish how they feel about the flags?

1000 replies

PicaK · 18/08/2025 13:32

Birmingham and Tower Hamlets are having St George England flags put up by privately funded groups.
I'm horrified by the implicit racism. I've seen a lot of white people applauding this and "time we took back the country" comments.
I haven't seen many non white people commenting. My feel is that they are too intimidated to do so. Am I right? Or is it indifference or is it that you're dealing with racism on a daily level and this is just one more thing.
Please don't post if you're white.whatever you feel about the flags. I want to hear on white viewd

OP posts:
Thread gallery
16
CharlieEffie · 18/08/2025 15:47

PicaK · 18/08/2025 13:32

Birmingham and Tower Hamlets are having St George England flags put up by privately funded groups.
I'm horrified by the implicit racism. I've seen a lot of white people applauding this and "time we took back the country" comments.
I haven't seen many non white people commenting. My feel is that they are too intimidated to do so. Am I right? Or is it indifference or is it that you're dealing with racism on a daily level and this is just one more thing.
Please don't post if you're white.whatever you feel about the flags. I want to hear on white viewd

"Please dont post if your white"

But putting up our flag in our country is racist?

No.

Arlanymor · 18/08/2025 15:47

InterIgnis · 18/08/2025 15:42

He was ethnically Cappadocian Greek, I believe? The name would suggest so too, as George is the anglicized version of the Greek name. The Seljuk Turks arrived in the region in the 11th century from Central Asia, centuries after his time.

Anyway, St George is the patron saint of quite a few countries, including Serbia and Russia. The St George cross is on the Georgian flag alongside Jerusalem crosses, and I’ve seen it flag flown in parts of Italy too.

I lived in the UK for a few years as a white immigrant. I only really saw it flown during the World Cup, so I associated it with football more than anything else. Context does matter though, so it’s very possible that it I’d lived in an area where there was tension and rioting over immigration that I would have made different associations.

Edited

Definitely ethnically Cappdocian Greek - not Turkish and not Roman (although he was doubtless involved in the Roman military, but they commandeered lots of global 'citizens of Rome' in that way).

Yes I had forgotten he definitely spreads himself about a bit as a patron saint. No one else seems to want our David... maybe because his one miracle was a bit crap and by all accounts he was a bit too pious and dull... ah well.

Thedoorisalwaysopen · 18/08/2025 15:48

Having lived in Spain for 10+ years - almost everyone has a Spanish flag up at their window. Especially in football season. Never bothered me. It wasn't to say 'foreigners get out', rather go Spain go!

Supersimkin7 · 18/08/2025 15:48

Tower Hamlets’ mayor (fraudster with a conviction for bullying Muslim Brits) has had his StG flags taken down.

Row on Mail front page, cos his Islamist flags are still waving merrily.

Aggressive bullying of all Brits isn’t a step
to rehabilitation, mr mayor.

kalevalaa · 18/08/2025 15:48

I'm not white British and I think it's great. I also think it's absolutely crazy that it is any way controversial for natives to be putting up the flag of the country that is their home. It really blows my mind. I also think a lot of those complaining have no problem with Palestine or Pakistan flags being put up so they are hypocrites and I personally feel a lot more uncomfortable and threatened walking around in areas full of Palestine flags than Union Jacks or flags of St George.

Dweetfidilove · 18/08/2025 15:49

MrsVino · 18/08/2025 14:46

Exactly . Imagine the shoe was on the other foot …
🙄

I missed the original post, but it would be a special kind of idiot that would cause uproar if white people only were asked to comment on something being done in the name of white people.

Flags are being taken down to 'supposedly stop the upset of non-white people' who find the flags racist. Surely it makes sense for the OP to ask non-white people if the flag offends them.

How else are we meant to collect reasonably accurate data without posing the question to the actual demographic of people it relates to?

faffadoodledo · 18/08/2025 15:50

@MrsTerryPratchett succinctly put.
The Raise the Colours campaign which is behind the mass placing of St George flags is just a new iteration of the sort of racist organisation which has co-opted our flag on the past.

I agree that councils etc have been daft in shying away from flying our flags. But this campaign has some big far right names promoting it.

MovingBird123 · 18/08/2025 15:50

Iraqi Jewish, look white. I can't understand why this is a problem. There is much to be proud of in England and Britain, and more than "taking back the country" I think we need to reclaim the flags as a source of pride for all English and Brits. Suggesting that the flags are offensive to non-white people or people from other cultures implies that they're somehow not part of England or Britain.

TheGoldoffEternal · 18/08/2025 15:50

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 15:51

The next person who tells me that St George was Turkish dies! Ditto fish and chips.

HostaCentral · 18/08/2025 15:51

Yet in Sardinia they can fly their version..... If you put that up in England there would be riots!

Arlanymor · 18/08/2025 15:51

Simonjt · 18/08/2025 15:46

Not really, in many countries it’s common place for virtually every home to have a flag, that isn’t the norm at all in Wales. In many countries birthdays, weddings etc part of celebration includes flag flying by guests, again, not the norm in Wales.

Loads of homes in Wales have flags and their own flag posts - it's incredibly common - if I left my home now and walked 500 yards I would see at least half a dozen. We fly flags at celebrations too. I do not recognise the Wales you are talking about, which is odd given I live here and am Welsh myself.

Cyclebabble · 18/08/2025 15:51

Philosophically I have no problem with the Union Flag or a St George Cross. I like to see them flown. I am ethnically Indian and have a great Uncle with a military background who always used to have a flag in his back garden. Raising it in the morning and lowering it at sunset. On occasion though it can be captured as a symbol and is used as a rallying point for racists. I think we should reclaim a flag that belongs to all of us.

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 15:51

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Reported.

Dweetfidilove · 18/08/2025 15:53

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Simonjt · 18/08/2025 15:54

Arlanymor · 18/08/2025 15:51

Loads of homes in Wales have flags and their own flag posts - it's incredibly common - if I left my home now and walked 500 yards I would see at least half a dozen. We fly flags at celebrations too. I do not recognise the Wales you are talking about, which is odd given I live here and am Welsh myself.

In countries where flag flying is common half a dozen in that distance would be an unusually poor show. I lived in the states for a while, I was the only home on the entire estate that didn’t have flags, so the neighbours got some and put them up for me.

Simonjt · 18/08/2025 15:55

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Yep, but its us foreigners bringing standards down.

RubySquid · 18/08/2025 15:56

GypsyQueeen · 18/08/2025 13:39

It's British by the way.

What's british? St George's flag is English. Union Jack is British

Arlanymor · 18/08/2025 15:57

Simonjt · 18/08/2025 15:54

In countries where flag flying is common half a dozen in that distance would be an unusually poor show. I lived in the states for a while, I was the only home on the entire estate that didn’t have flags, so the neighbours got some and put them up for me.

Ok, sorry Wales doesn't 'do enough flag flying according to you' I guess.

FrippEnos · 18/08/2025 15:57

randomchap · 18/08/2025 14:46

Well he's a cunt isn't he

Yup, no argument from me.

BirdsofBrazil · 18/08/2025 15:57

2nd generation Indian. Proudly British, love my country, love our flags, will happily fly the St George’s flag for relevant occasions. I’m not getting my knickers in a twist over a few racists, and I would question whether those white people who constantly see racism in everything realise the damage they are doing to race relations. Because it’s not the white people who face the consequences, is it. You can virtue signal and polish your halos, but the people who end up suffering are the ones you purport to protect.

Simonjt · 18/08/2025 15:59

Arlanymor · 18/08/2025 15:57

Ok, sorry Wales doesn't 'do enough flag flying according to you' I guess.

No, that isn’t what I said, there isn’t a level
of flag flying that anywhere needs, but pointing out that it isn’t as common place as other countries is something we all know. I don’t care how many flags people fly, I don’t fly any as I don’t see any need to.

FullOfLemons · 18/08/2025 16:03

I am non white British.

I am not bothered about flags.

I don’t think they are racist and nor am I indifferent to racism.

I do love it when people tell me what I am supposed to be thinking, or how oppressed I am supposed to be. For some reason they always seem to be middle class white people.

Bloozie · 18/08/2025 16:04

I'm a white British person born in England, and if the St George flag is flown and there isn't a sporting event on, I assume that it's a statement of nationalist racism. For me, the flag has been completely hijacked by the far right and in all honesty, I'm ashamed of it now.

My sense of national pride comes from many, many other places. I am proud of my country. But its flag is a symbol of division, to me.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 18/08/2025 16:04

Removing non UK flags would be the better option.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.