Have you met Lucy Letby ?

[brightonchicka]

Just curious - watched documentary and i am convinced of her guilt and intrigued by her apparent wolf in sheeps clothing demeanour - Just wondering if anyone HAS met her /encountered her and what she is like ?!

Oh admit it. You and Chantelle were shoplifting as per usual.

@Noelshighflyingturds ooh tell us more … I do think unit was clearly not run well - that is clear - however i do believe she is guilty without doubt - handover sheets in her room , facebook searches of the parents , confession notes and her strange giddiness after deaths - its clear for me she is guilty

You could tell that Christopher Jefferies bloke was a wrong 'un, though. Oh, wait...

I worked with Dennis Neilson in the early 1980's. He came across as polite, shy & quiet.

I am being very cautious about what I say because if she is guilty, I don’t want to jeopardise anything
But what you said in a nutshell
I’ve not seen compelling evidence that she’s guilty by the way

Why not just watch the documentary and discuss your thoughts with friends and family, rather than fishing for info on a public forum

Interesting, I wonder if you would be willing to expand on that?
(I appreciate that you may have reasons not to!)

I remember that so well, the Daily Mail went full foaming at the mouth about him

In my line of work, I have met people who were responsible for guarding Jamie Bulgers killers.
apparently, they were far worse in real life and the Public was shielded from the true horror of what happened to them to turn them into killers but also how awful they were

Savile came to our office in the 80s (central government to meet the Secretary of State). Nasty vibe. Invaded everyone’s space as he went from desk to desk grabbing the hands of the female staff and kissing them. I pulled my hand away. Everyone was shocked that I was rude to Jimmy. Fuck off. He was fucking odd (I was 20)

I've met loads of prisoners and bloody hell I was naive when I started out.

Rarely get manipulated now but it still happens - these people are expert at it.

So I'm not surprised at people being shocked that someone turned out to be a murderer, most of us don't live our lives continually on alert and assume those we are meeting are vaguely like ourselves.

I've seen loads of hospital staff report that 'x is so lovely and everyone in prison is treating him so badly' when reality is very different. People in general can be very gullible, and some very very gullible.

Yes, met her several times through friends. She was perfectly pleasant and unremarkable.

I'm old. That sort of thing used to happen alot to women, and people didn't (mostly) pay it any attention it was so commonplace. It never happened to me, but that was probably because any bloke who met me would know within the first two minutes that they'd be taking their liofe in their hands trying it. But in the 70's and 80's "handsy" behaviour was not viewed as it now is by many people - male and female. I recall, even in the late 80's, a head of legal services banning trousers in work (this was the days when legal documents were still kept in file boxes on tall shelves) and I will leave it to your imagination why that was.

People who think the world hasn't changed simply don't know what it was like not so very long ago. I may not have changed enough, but it has changed.

The above total nonsense by the way. Or not. Who knows. Anyone can make up anything. What do you hope to get from a ridiculous thread like this?

Psychopaths can be lovely friendly people. Ordinary souls can be weird and scary. It's only with hindsight that one realises they might have predicted a particular outcome.

Though for what is worth, I always thought there was something up with Jimmy Saville, though obviously I didn't actually guess what that could be. My best friend, on the other hand, liked him and was shocked by the revelations.

Handover sheets: Yes, she had many, which she shouldn't have, but many nurses here say they've often taken home handover sheets. She had lots - not just of babies that had died, and if they had been trophies, then surely she would have destroyed/hidden them once she knew she was under suspicion?

Facebook posts: She searched loads of people she had met/knew. I think it was something like 11 parents out of over 2000 people searched - that's about 0.5% of her searches relating to parents.

Confession notes: Her therapist told her to write down her thoughts, and these were from this. The "confessions" were also among notes protesting her innocence.

Strange giddiness after deaths: This is obviously subjective, and no one apparently noticed at the time, only noticing once they'd been told she was a serial killer. Some of the things she was accused of (taking footprints/bathing dead babies etc) are standard practice in that situation.

Whether she is guilty or not, I think the media did a good job in condemning her before the trial by putting these things out there without context, along with incorrectly used statistics (which they also used at the trial; the police dismissed a statistician very quickly after they asked for more data as they data they had been given needed to be seen in context).

And I don't think the trial showed she was guilty beyond reasonable doubt. That should be a concern for everyone.

This is such a good example. Clearly everyone in the office could see his behaviour was unacceptable.

But only one person called it out - and then the group told her off for it.

have worked with and assessed killers,and I’m going to tell you, most are unremarkable nothing of note people who’ve perpetrated dreadful crimes. You wouldn’t have had a hunch or a feeling about them in RL. nothing to indicate what they are capable of .

I totally agree.

You see for some reason in my mind I visualise some of these parents being really unassuming and timid, and not having the slightest clue why their child became a serial killer. It just seems to obvious to think the parents are nearly always really messed up themselves? I mean if you look at some of the worst in history they often came from relatively normal families.

They were embarrassed that I was “rude”. I didn’t want him touching me.

That’s my view on that man who murdered the dog walker Anita Rose. He has committed a similar attack on an elderly man but you just look at him and think wtf? Him? He did that? Seriously? He looks like the most unassuming, dull character you could imagine.

I have never met Lucy Letby but I have met a killer, worked for her in fact. Not in the UK. Potentially a serial killer (likely I think) but only served time for the one. Yes she was evil as fuck - literally the hairs on the back of your neck would stand up when she entered the room. 37 years ago and the memory still freaks me out. I worked for her for two years, she was convicted 7 years after I left. I used to go home and tell my then partner that she was not at all normal and he thought I was the mad one. He had the decency to save all the newspaper clippings and send them to me when her trial was going on, long after we had split up, as a kind of "you were right all along".

That doesn't make her guilty.

I think it's rather terrifying for everyone, that there are doubts about so many aspects of this case but a woman remains in prison for life.

There needs to be a proper review of the evidence with proper experts, not some arrogant retired paediatrician who volunteered his services because "he just knew she was guilty" from the start. That man is a disgrace.