What do you think of when you hear LGBTQ+?

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It seems these days, when people see/hear LGBTQ+ they think of trans people & the trans debate. Is this accurate do you think? Or AIBU? I read on here recently about someone rejecting a rainbow badge given to her to wear at work to celebrate pride month (presumably not cos she was homophobic but rather, anti-trans). As a lesbian, this makes me really sad. I’ve always been proud to be a ‘rainbow family’ and want my kids to be proud too, but this association, and takeover imo, of the rainbow symbol & LGBTQ+ acronym by the gender ideology brigade, is creating, at best erasure of LGB people, and at worst, (maybe unintentional) homophobia and discrimination. I respect & understand that trans people have played an important role in the LGBT struggle historically, but it’s this ridiculous escalation of it & all these ‘trans trenders’ and being able to identify as one of 72 different genders etc 🙄

I groan inwardly. I’ve supported the LGB community of which I am a part my whole life, now it’s been hijacked into a sloppy ‘me, myself, and my navel’ movement undoing decades of work.

Just to confirm

Being sexually attracted to the same sex = ok
Being sexually attracted to the opposite sex = ok
Being sexually attracted to both sees = ok

Being sexually attracted to neither sex = navel gazing/blur haired/alphabet letters?

Honestly, I'd let it go. Getting a post deleted from a Mumsnet thread on transgender issues is all part of the experience!

I read on here recently about someone rejecting a rainbow badge given to her to wear at work to celebrate pride month (presumably not cos she was homophobic but rather, anti-trans).

Just to say, you don’t have to be homophobic or ‘anti-trans’ to refuse to wear a rainbow badge or to celebrate pride month. Not everyone feels the need to be performative.

It’s just the same mentality which had Facebook ‘witch hunts’ against people who, because they didn’t want to stand on their doorsteps clapping like performing seals, obviously hated the NHS!

Turmeric, maybe? Or glucosamine.
That is to say: gawd only knows what else is going to be hoovered into the rainbow initials maw.
This urge microscopically to categorise a population into mini tribes has done bugger all to increase brotherly love, I reckon. Dividing people into strictly discrete groups not only reduces a person to one sole personality facet, it introduces a suggestion of embattled identity, where one’s own characteristics are the only true way and so you face the world with all your spines pointing outwards. Victory over some other group is essential, given your battle-ready response to the day, and it’s only quantifiable through blood on the cobbles.

I'd think, "Does this have an impact on women's rights? If not, it's none of my business and I'll steer clear." And if it's a retailer, LGBTQ+ on the door will make me think, "I'm not their target market, that's OK, I'll shop somewhere else."

I refused a rainbow lanyard and a fleece with a rainbow logo at work. I'm not part of the rainbow, I'm not an ally of the TQ+ part of the rainbow, and it would look like appropriation.

Thank you. Absolutely agree.

To answer the OP, what I think when I see LGBT+ is "pronoun wankers".

Why do I need to know?
If you move in next door and introduce yourself and your wife I'll assume you are lesbians and love is love, likewise if "Hi, were Reg and David". Come on round for a cup of tea.
"Hi I'm Billy and I'm gay' wrf? "I'm Louise and I like it doggy style!"

You've just succinctly summed up the way I feel about identity politics and how it repelled me so much I stopped voting Labour as the party became more divided because of it.

Spot on.

I think that's the aim though, to collectively acquire as many "other" people into the rainbow as possible (black/brown/disabled has also now been added on flags ) and it's obvious what the aim is : so everyone except white straight people are on that 'that team' which leaves 'white straight ' people on the 'other' team.

We used to call it a 'them Vs us' or a war.... The brainchild behind it is a smiling assassin.

Let it go.

I had my whole account shut down for three years after an intemperate trans related post.

Deletions are lightweight

Tbf, there are plenty of straight, white people under the alphabet umbrella, they just don't identity as straight, white people 😂

I'm afraid what I think of is individuals forcing themselves under an umbrella of a term that doesn't fit them. I think of my lovely lesbian friends at Pride in Brighton laughing politely at the misogynistic "ooh, fish" misogynistic vitriol of what was supposed to be a humorous act. And my lovely gay friend "Jim" laughing nervously at men in leather being dragged around on dog leashes. Gay liberation shouldn't look like this.

😂 sorry, you're absolutely right !

It'll be the 6ft "lesbians" : poor old actual lesbians, I guess eventually they'll have to let the 6footers have that label and they'll have to invite a new one . Maybe "vulva owners who only date other native vulva owners , not including neo vaginas" it hurt to write that last bit 😵‍💫

Severe irritation. Victimhood and racism has gone way too far and it’s now actually causing the issues it wanted to prevent. Bearing in mind most of us DON’T live in London, we live in our own UK ‘mini cultures’ I can’t tell you how pissed off the majority of 30-70 year olds are when they see the ‘average’ English family as multicultural. It is simply not representative of where we live, or what we see. Maybe London TV ad execs need to move out of the M25?
I have a small business in an ABC1 demographic area up North - and if you could hear how the locals feel, many would be shocked. The average middle class white man feels almost hated by the political class in those country. How did it ever get to this?

Nothing wrong with being gay, lesbian or bisexual, but the rest is nonsense.

I think of the mutilation and sterilisation of young people and their ruined lives, the erasure of women and even the word women in our language.

Plus, the threat to women's safe spaces, services and sports. Equally, under queer theory , lesbians being labelled bigots for not wanting to sleep with straight men in wigs and dresses.

Thank God for the Supreme Court ruling. This crap could be on its way out by degrees.

Well said

LGB - perfectly fine.

The rest of the alphabet soup just makes me think of those men that wank off in M&S knickers in the female changing rooms and then put them back on the rack.

I am always reminded of Belissa Cohen from three years ago "anything to the right of the LGB is straight people"

www.tiktok.com/@chrisklemens/video/7096166440146914602

Honestly?

LGB - great

TQ+ and the Pride flag - hostile and aggressive.

I was always a huge supporters of LGB rights (still am) but now, if I have the choice between two organisations (eg cafe, museum, shop) and I see a rainbow flag in one, I'll choose the other.

It might indicate its a safe place for trans people but it no longer feels like a safe place for me as a woman.

I just think "not more of this bollocks", I don't care where people stick/ remove/ add to their bits. I just don't want it rammed down my throat everywhere I look.
It's boring, live and let live or encourage folks to seek the required mental health specialists.
I just wish they would do it quietly, and in the disabled toilet.

I think of middle class people with piercings and pink or blue hair.

The punks in the 80s were cooler than them.