What do you think of when you hear LGBTQ+?

[purpledaze24]

It seems these days, when people see/hear LGBTQ+ they think of trans people & the trans debate. Is this accurate do you think? Or AIBU? I read on here recently about someone rejecting a rainbow badge given to her to wear at work to celebrate pride month (presumably not cos she was homophobic but rather, anti-trans). As a lesbian, this makes me really sad. I’ve always been proud to be a ‘rainbow family’ and want my kids to be proud too, but this association, and takeover imo, of the rainbow symbol & LGBTQ+ acronym by the gender ideology brigade, is creating, at best erasure of LGB people, and at worst, (maybe unintentional) homophobia and discrimination. I respect & understand that trans people have played an important role in the LGBT struggle historically, but it’s this ridiculous escalation of it & all these ‘trans trenders’ and being able to identify as one of 72 different genders etc 🙄

I don't think of anything really because it's become almost meaningless. For example I'm honestly not exaggerating when I say that most of the teens girls I know have gone through a phase of identifying as one of the relevant letters for a bit, and they have almost always come out the other side a year or two later.

Nobody gives a shit where anybody goes to the loo and I really can't see anyone 'challenging' any of my mates for going where they please.

I bet some women do give a shit but they’re often scared to speak up. People should use the toilets that correspond with their sex and anyone not doing that is wrong.

What do I think of it?

Im going to be very honest here and my first thoughts are usually - not fucking well again, for god sake change the subject. And no, I don’t you/this thread. I mean in my day to day life where I’m just sick to the back teeth of hearing about it.

And I would agree with this If I see “LGB” by itself, I think of the original lesbian, gay and bi causes

But as for the rest of it, I am just so well and truly over it.

TLDR: the rhetoric in the media and online feels unsafe and is being seen in real life when they aren't in our little bubble.

Trans people want to force everybody else to believe lies (because mammals cannot change sex)
The pushback is because trans identifying males are trampling on the rights of others.
Compelling children to lie that their obviously male teacher is a woman
is NOT acceptable.
Its that simple.

I usually roll my eyes and state that it’s only LGB as the T is nothing to do with sexuality so shouldn’t be included!

I don't know how I got here, but I roll my eyes and groan internally.

I am a massive lgb supporter, but something has changed with the whole movement.

I swear it was LGBTQIA+ where the scales dropped from people's eyes about just how fucking ridiculous it was getting. It did mine.

The trans lobby blew their own foot off.

I think

"I thought the aim was all people being equal, so why is a chunk of the population wanting to set themselves apart"

I await my flaming.

Women generally don't challenge because they're afraid of the reaction. Your friends should not take that as acceptance for men to use women's spaces. The law has been clarified.

The contemporary Lgbtqxyz etc etc appears to be a million miles away from the gay pride events I used to frequent in my youth where we were just normal people enjoying a social event. Nothing performative, nothing weird, just everyday people who happened to be gay or friends/relatives of them.

Today is a local Pride event. It's being led by the obligatory man in a skimpy dress with a side of dancing middle aged, overweight cross dressing men. If the photos are anything to go by it looks like a unicorn vomited a rainbow over a bunch of performative social misfits.

Fair game to them as long as they aren't harming anyone else but LGB it isn't.

‘wonder what the next letter or character will be. It seems to be getting longer and longer.’

Probably P , N and B(e) . Possibly R?

I don’t think of gay people when I see it anymore, which is sad.

It’s been totally hijacked by the TQ+ gang and it just has cultish, aggressive, negative associations for me. My close gay family members feel the same.

This is why the + is so handy.

They can all slip in through the back door.

I don't know what R means. I may be better off not knowing however.

See, here we are again , another deletion? What the fuck is going on @MNHQ ? The least someone can do is point out what exactly I've said that's so offensive? I'm baffled!

This.
And why shops feel they need to use it is beyond me. Shops ! Anyone can go into a shop and buy something, what on earth has sex, sexuality, or the ridiculous “gender identity” got to do with groceries, or shampoo.

Incoming roasting - you can be apart and still be equal.

You'll have to ask them directly. They won't respond to questions on a thread.

Start a thread in site stuff and ask if they’re not replying to your email, although maybe they have less staff on at the weekend??

I think of Pride, I think of the gay night scene where there is freedom and acceptance of everyone. I don't think of it in a negative way. They're the initial thoughts, then I think of the struggles people from the LGBT community have faced. I feel sad that it seemed that was being overcome and things were improving but now it's become acceptable to actively discriminate against trans people, just as it's becoming more socially acceptable to for racism and xenophobia, ableism is also on the rise. I worry that shortly we will return to there being more social acceptance of being openly homophonic. The media is slowly turning all groups against each other, gay and lesbian are likely to be the next group.

Cheers for calling me nonsense.

Yep. You’d not have to wonder for long whether it’s ‘gay’ or ‘men’ being the stumbling block in that cadre, would you?
When the chips are down, it’s women in second place when there ought not have been a contest at all. Lesbians are compadres only until more acceptable ‘women’ turn up to the rally, for this type of ‘G’.

I've emailed them twice but still no response. As someone else said though, perhaps less staff at weekend. Sorry to derail.

I'm guessing "hurtyfeelz" is pretty dismissive, fairly childish and not remotely helpful (especially when it was the only word in your post).

(I'm not a big fan of that sort of authoritarian moderation either, but that seems to me to be likely to be why.)

I do fully understand if a trans woman had come on here and said "I feel saddened when I'm not recognised as a woman " and I'd put "hurtyfeelz" but it was in response to a post that was tongue in cheek basically saying "we're all phobic if we don't agree that a man is a woman" and that was my own tongue in cheek response. Do you get what I'm saying? It wasn't dismissing or belittling in that context. It was an agreement