What do you think of when you hear LGBTQ+?

[purpledaze24]

It seems these days, when people see/hear LGBTQ+ they think of trans people & the trans debate. Is this accurate do you think? Or AIBU? I read on here recently about someone rejecting a rainbow badge given to her to wear at work to celebrate pride month (presumably not cos she was homophobic but rather, anti-trans). As a lesbian, this makes me really sad. I’ve always been proud to be a ‘rainbow family’ and want my kids to be proud too, but this association, and takeover imo, of the rainbow symbol & LGBTQ+ acronym by the gender ideology brigade, is creating, at best erasure of LGB people, and at worst, (maybe unintentional) homophobia and discrimination. I respect & understand that trans people have played an important role in the LGBT struggle historically, but it’s this ridiculous escalation of it & all these ‘trans trenders’ and being able to identify as one of 72 different genders etc 🙄

Soon, there won't be enough letters in the alphabet to cover all the categories.

What is your definition of ‘queer’?

I’d think declaring one’s pride, after years and years enforced shame and guilt (not to mention literal criminality) within our society, was entirely understandable. Thus I’d see the continuation of Pride events as still legit under that name, and especially since the scummy tide of hatred wasn’t stemmed in full anyway, and indeed has risen in some quarters.
But still, that joyous LGB message of self-confidence and mutual support has been besmirched with incursions by newer themes inimical to Pride’s original embrace, I think. (Above all, it’s flipping disgraceful to read so often about lesbians being accused of bigotry by men who seek access to lesbianism.)

This aggressive demand for access, recognition, and reclassification through legal threats surely won’t leave behind it any legacy of pride, unless bullying and menace constitute the highest point in a person’s development.

History, according to Joyce, is a nightmare from which we are struggling to awaken. Well this feels true of our current societal struggles.
It’s like we are all Z-drugged to the eyeballs, sleepwalking around the place while unconscionable developments overtake us. We are trying to scream in protest, but we aren’t being heard!
Women’s hard-won legal rights aren’t going to be reversed in the courts at this stage, therefore (NotAll™️) men found other ways to erode territory and confidence, and deep misogyny now wears the face of extreme female caricature.
I reckon this has all become a vast and vicious assault under the guise of a plea for tolerance, and Pride is now being used as a false flag while a major crime is being perpetrated on half the population.
I’ve no idea how that rainbow can be reclaimed from grubby mitts, and I’ve no alphabetical dog in the race myself, but I hope to God something changes soon or it’ll be a hell of a problem to undo all the strife and woe caused by invading TAs.

(sorry, @Soontobe60 …..got awfully carried away there, and rather away from your point)

Is there any quantifiable data on this? Just curious, and I don't have any real insight into this community.

it’s two separate groups of people … LBG being about sexual attraction and the TG + part being about identity.

It sounds like the employer was overstepping by giving out rainbow badges for staff to wear. In my mind this is the same as asking staff to add pronoun signatures to emails. It’s really nobody’s business what peoples pronouns are or even if they believe in pronouns, nobody should be cornered into wearing a badge or having a pronoun signature.

@Millytante I can’t disagree with any of your points!

And that rainbows aren't nice any more. I also can't forget that rainbows in windows = childhoods stolen by lockdown.

I see LGBTQ+ and I think of gender ideology and misogyny.

Not a chance I would wear anything with the rainbow flag (see above).

This, same

Rainbows are still a beautiful natural phenomena to me. Always cheers me up if I catch sight of one on a rainy day with the sun peeking through.

LGBT, I think mostly of same-sex-attracted people. LGBTQ+ makes me think of dyed, pierced, Very Online types who’ve decided they’re “agender demisexuals” or some other bespoke identity.

I’m bisexual, BTW.

Is there an LGB flag - if not there should be. I support that fully. The rest can fuck off

I was asked once at work if I wanted a rainbow lanyard for pride month to show support for the community. I said no only because I felt we should treat everyone no matter what or who they are the same.

And also when I see a rainbow i see Gods rainbow of a promise to Noah. Not the flag. Yes I know there is a colour missing but still I see Gods promise

But that’s not accurate is it? Because a trans person or non binary person can be straight no? Identity (nonsense) and sexuality (real) are so different.

The phobia /disdain about blue hair on here always really makes me laugh, just reading through the thread 😁
Blue hair! Must be an angry lesbian or "one of the trans" !🤣

This is interesting, and I think this bit in particular goes to the heart of it:

As for T, that seems to be in direct opposition to LGB as it makes sex into something unimportant or non existent. If sex is mutable then why can't a gay man find a body with female genitalia attractive if the woman believes she is a man?

But I don't think it's impossible for a gay man to think that gender is more important than sex but still to regard being gay as an important characteristic, and for the two beliefs to be compatible. Maybe he could find a body with female genitalia attractive if the woman believes she is a man. But what about the situation where he is attracted to a body with a penis owned by someone who is and was born male and identifies as a man? He can still "do gay" in the old-fashioned sense while accepting that gender overrides sex.

So he wouldn’t be a gay man. He’d be bisexual no?

It’s probably because we’ve been abroad (Europe) for a while but the obsession and discussion in the UK (where we’re from btw) is mind blowing. It’s not a topic at all here. Why are people so obsessed with this? Best prepared myself because we’re moving home soon.

@MNHQ can you please respond to why most #hurtyfeelz post was deleted? In the context of agreeing with a poster who I was replying to ? Nobody on this thread seems to be able to shed any light and presumably the person who reported me can't either ? If I've said something so offensive that requires deletion, I'm going to need educating on it : because I still am In the dark how what I said broke talk guidelines?

I think ‘… hmmm… forced teaming… no thanks’.

I don’t remember your post but you can ask them on site stuff, or maybe better to email them so that they can discuss it properly. [email protected]

As in the acronym. Lesbian, gay, bi, trans.

It's a mind bending exercise in mental gymnastics where words mean different things to different people. If he is fully onboard with gender then I guess he defines gay as being attracted to other men in the sense of anyone who identifies as a man so he's gay. If he defines gay as being attracted to someone of the same biological sex then he's bisexual (because he could go for a transman with female biology).

But either way in the context of this discussion whether he slots himself in as G or B he has no real conflict of interest with the Ts.

I literally put this : #hurtyfeelz

That's it.

The context was a poster saying (obviously tongue in cheek) that it was phobic to not recognise as a man as a woman and the above was my response!?

Then in comes @ilovesooty to state i think you know what you've said . I'm utterly baffled.

Thanks for your advice anyway, appreciate it.