What do you think of when you hear LGBTQ+?

[purpledaze24]

It seems these days, when people see/hear LGBTQ+ they think of trans people & the trans debate. Is this accurate do you think? Or AIBU? I read on here recently about someone rejecting a rainbow badge given to her to wear at work to celebrate pride month (presumably not cos she was homophobic but rather, anti-trans). As a lesbian, this makes me really sad. I’ve always been proud to be a ‘rainbow family’ and want my kids to be proud too, but this association, and takeover imo, of the rainbow symbol & LGBTQ+ acronym by the gender ideology brigade, is creating, at best erasure of LGB people, and at worst, (maybe unintentional) homophobia and discrimination. I respect & understand that trans people have played an important role in the LGBT struggle historically, but it’s this ridiculous escalation of it & all these ‘trans trenders’ and being able to identify as one of 72 different genders etc 🙄

Then the others cry "well where is your black lives matter badge ? Where is your baby loss awareness ribbon? Where's your supporting male survivors of domestic abuse badge ? Where's your Muslim support week ?

This is highly exclusionary, what about your poppy, your keffiyeh and 193 flags to represent all nations of the UN?

@BelperLawnmowerthat person is biologically a man. How is he not?

I agree OP, the oddballs have hijacked the meaning. Those who are standard homosexual don’t get a look in. I think those who are homosexual need to push back against it, as if heterosexuals do so, they will just be called haters.

Agree with this completely. I'd have said no to the badge as well.

I think you'll find queer people will be able to stop doing that when heteronormativity stops being a thing.

I agree
I don't like the mix of sexuality and gender identity, it doesn't seem the same thing to me

What term ??

It's now been deleted, but I'm sure you remember what you said.

I associate it with trans.

Yes I do! I said #hurtyfeelz ? Why the fuck was that deleted?? It's a flippant comment to suggest a straight man's feelings have been hurt by not being recognised as a woman. @mumsnet if you could clarify what I said that was delete worthy I'd be grateful? Unless I've accidentally quoted a tag that exists that represents something horrific that I'm not aware of it ?

Yeh I've just googled it and it means exactly what I intended it to mean. No idea why it was deleted then @mumsnet ? Saying 'hurtyfeelz' with regards to men feeling offended at not being recognised as a woman seems proportionate to me ? But every day is an eye opener on here.

Your turn. Go on then. How was me saying a flippant #hurtyfeelz highly offensive in context of not recognising straight men as women ? I'm genuinely perplexed

It's force teaming of the worst kind.

The T&Q have nothing to do with the LGB and often their priorities are in conflict. Lesbians have been totally screwed over by TRAs for example. I don't even want to know what the + is supposed to be about.

Pride was a brilliant thing when it was about people with a range of sexualities campaigning for visibility and acceptance to be themselves. Now it's been hijacked by people who are looking for a cause and a special identity, but can't quite even articulate what they're fighting for.

People with DSDs have repeatedly asked not to be referred to as intersex and specifically asked not to be lumped in with the alphabet soup.
Asexual is nonsense

People living their lives.

I think first of all I cannot bring myself to use the word queer because i believe ng to a generation where the word was often followed by a baseball cap or a steel toe cap. Then I think that being trans is not a sexuality. Then I think that LGB people need to be very watchful about what is happening in the USA-rights are hard won and easily lost.

I don't think asexuality is nonsense. There are people for whom it describes their orientation.

But I don't see what the big deal is either. No one is being forced to have sexual relationships and a percentage of humans have always opted out of this. I don't see why it needs a parade.

I'm still waiting @ilovesooty ...!

Is that HF expression a slur now?

As a lesbian, it makes me think of forced teaming and the homophobia that everything after the LGB is engaging in. I think especially of the poor younger lesbians upon whom men larping as lesbians are trying to force themselves.

I just inwardly roll my eyes and think LGB I understand. They have a history of being violently and appallingly treated for the fact that they tend to fall in romantic love ( and lust) with people of the same sex. Because of historical violent oppression alone I am happy to support anything that stops our society going back to that and to support efforts to improve things in other countries where things are worse for LGB.

However the TQ+, confuses me. The Q just seems to be about gaining acceptance for anyone outside the 'status quo' but that is for me just about accepting people in their uniqueness which is just what we should do and not related directly only to sexuality so not really related to LGB specifically

As for T, that seems to be in direct opposition to LGB as it makes sex into something unimportant or non existent. If sex is mutable then why can't a gay man find a body with female genitalia attractive if the woman believes she is a man?

For LGB people, their sex is core and important to how they define themselves and I'd say for most -L an G in particular - it is particularly important abd directly in contradiction with the views of most T.

I just don't get how they all go together, except that T an Q( in particular) are so unhappy to be considered 'normal or straight' that they have hung onto the coattails of LGB to get recognition and influence' . They have done this by stealh by pretending to have the same aims a LGB, all the while pushing their own, often directly conflicting agenda

So generally I support LGB but not TQ, like lots on here

Yes. I believe gay marriage will be taken away at some point in US.

I mostly agree, but I don’t see how asexuality is an orientation?
I also know too many women who married, identified as asexual after having a baby, then realised they were lesbians. In some communities there’s a real pattern to it.

There aren’t many young lesbians left - most of them are trans men - transing the gay away.

Given that the phrase "LGBTQ+" is clearly stating that it supports people who think they have changed sex over women's rights then I automatically assume anyone wearing their emblems of propaganda are also against the rights of women and girls to have bodily autonomy away from males.

I therefore would not wear their emblems at work or anywhere else. I do not wish to associate with people who believe that and who actively fight against women's basic decency.

Ordinary gay people who just want to live and marry people of consensual age ..thats fine. Don't care.

But bring out the flags and emblems you are immediately declaring a side and a war on women.