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To think that the USA is a dictatorship now?

462 replies

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 20:24

Trump appears to have ultimate power. Who can challenge him? Who controls him? Presidents should not be dictating what drug companies charge for medicines on a whim, or indeed any other goods, at the drop of a hat. He says jump and the US says "How High?" What on earth have you done to yourselves and the world to let this evil, thick, orange toddler clown represent you? What the hell were you thinking?

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JHound · 17/08/2025 18:01

Upupandaway10 · 17/08/2025 17:55

Yes I agree the UK is in a sorry state just now.

i don’t understand why do many British people hate the President of the USA

I understand British dislike of Trump far more than Trump’s obsession with the Mayor of London or Barack Obama….

(Personally I find Trump to be a buffoon and highly problematic as well as a bigot. But when he is only behaving in a way that impacts the USA I don’t care about him).

Loads of Brit’s will have an opinion on the US president because the USA’s policy decisions often impacts the rest of us.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 17/08/2025 18:05

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:00

Please stop.

They are not simply opposing “violence and harassment of Jews”.
Their issue is all protests showing support for Gaza which are all labelled “illegal”.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-federal-funding-will-stop-colleges-schools-allowing-illegal-protests-2025-03-04/

Trying to reframe and and every pro-Palestinian protest as necessarily about harassing and violence against Jews is exactly how they attack Free Speech.

That’s a horrible misrepresentation in itself.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/08/2025 18:06

Upupandaway10 · 17/08/2025 17:55

Yes I agree the UK is in a sorry state just now.

i don’t understand why do many British people hate the President of the USA

Because hes a liar, fraudster, bullying, repeat sex offender who's fucking up the global economy. That we're part of.

And this is Mumsnet, we're not keen on men who sexually abused women.

StandFirm · 17/08/2025 18:07

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/08/2025 18:06

Because hes a liar, fraudster, bullying, repeat sex offender who's fucking up the global economy. That we're part of.

And this is Mumsnet, we're not keen on men who sexually abused women.

And he's about to sell Ukraine down the river because his mate Putin is always right.

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:11

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 15:45

Defending the rights of Jewish students is obviously justified; using those incidents to put political pressure on institutions they don't like and impose a sweeping anti-diversity agenda, not so fine.

That's actually a separate issue. The Supreme Court outlawed race based admissions and programs in high education in 2023.

https://law.stanford.edu/2023/12/12/students-for-fair-admissions-v-harvard-faq-navigating-the-evolving-implications-of-the-courts-ruling

Many universities ignored the ruling, so they're being required to comply.

If you want to criticize what happens in the US, try to keep up with the news from here.

Edited

It’s going a little bit further than merely upholding the Supreme Court 2023 ruling on university admissions though isn’t it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/16/defense-department-black-medal-of-honor-veteran

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna224588

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/30/trump-washington-dc-plane-crash-dei

Black Medal of Honor recipient removed from US Department of Defense website

Page honoring Charles C Rogers for his Vietnam war service is now defunct with letters ‘DEI’ added to website address

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/16/defense-department-black-medal-of-honor-veteran

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:12

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 17/08/2025 18:05

That’s a horrible misrepresentation in itself.

Ok.

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 18:20

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:00

Please stop.

They are not simply opposing “violence and harassment of Jews”.
Their issue is all protests showing support for Gaza which are all labelled “illegal”.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-federal-funding-will-stop-colleges-schools-allowing-illegal-protests-2025-03-04/

Trying to reframe and and every pro-Palestinian protest as necessarily about harassing and violence against Jews is exactly how they attack Free Speech.

The actions are taken against the universities that knowingly permitted violations of title VI of the Civil Rights Act.

www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/office-civil-rights-initiates-title-vi-investigations-institutions-of-higher-education-0

And lots of laws were broken by the pro Gaza protestors. Vandalism, breaking into buildings, resisting arrest, trespassing, blocking traffic, etc. At Columbia, they blocked access to classroom buildings so that no one could attend classes. Your right to swing your fist stops at the other persons nose.

mcintyrefirm.com/what-laws-and-rules-did-student-protesters-break/

AntikytheraMech · 17/08/2025 18:21

Menopausalsourpuss · 17/08/2025 11:22

Alot of TDS on here. I've just looked it up and his approval rating is -12% with the American public. Starmers is -43% with the British public and he's only 1 year into his first term unlike Trump so he's WAY less popular. Posters on here probably think it's because the public are ignorant or could be because the American public know way more about America than aload of people thousands of miles away who get all their info from the BBC/Guardian. And ridiculous to blame Trump for all the problems in America, most of the drug/homeless problems are in Dem run states and local govt has way more power than in the UK.

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You're talking out of your ass.
Where the heck did you get your figures from?
Don't spout made up figures at least without providing a credible recognized source
These are from professional polls:
A June 2025 Reuters/Ipsos poll shows Trump's overall approval rating at 42%, consistent with previous months.

A June 2025 Reuters/Ipsos poll shows Trump's overall approval rating at 42%, consistent with previous months.

Sources:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-approval-steady-42-support-weakens-his-immigration-policy-reutersipsos-2025-06-16/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer

Keir Starmer - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:26

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 18:20

The actions are taken against the universities that knowingly permitted violations of title VI of the Civil Rights Act.

www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/office-civil-rights-initiates-title-vi-investigations-institutions-of-higher-education-0

And lots of laws were broken by the pro Gaza protestors. Vandalism, breaking into buildings, resisting arrest, trespassing, blocking traffic, etc. At Columbia, they blocked access to classroom buildings so that no one could attend classes. Your right to swing your fist stops at the other persons nose.

mcintyrefirm.com/what-laws-and-rules-did-student-protesters-break/

It’s not though. I have already shown that the threat about removing funding was not within the narrow context of violent acts.

No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise. (This is the same man who defended and pardoned the Capitol.

AntikytheraMech · 17/08/2025 18:29

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2025 11:54

If you plead guilty, as Connolly did, it’s pretty obvious that you go straight to sentence. What do you expect to happen? A jury of 12 people found Jones not guilty. It’s quite obviously not the same.

I think one of the biggest disparities is that she was held on the remand without option of bail and he was released for a year to get his ducks in a row. And a fake ADHD diagnosis.

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 18:30

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:26

It’s not though. I have already shown that the threat about removing funding was not within the narrow context of violent acts.

No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise. (This is the same man who defended and pardoned the Capitol.

Edited

Except that private universities have no right to Federal funding. It's purely discretionary. If they want to behave as political actors and in ways that violate civil rights law, they can have that funding withdrawn.

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:39

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 18:30

Except that private universities have no right to Federal funding. It's purely discretionary. If they want to behave as political actors and in ways that violate civil rights law, they can have that funding withdrawn.

I did not say they have a right to Federal funding did I? The conversation was about Free Speech and how the administration responds to speech they disagree with.

What you are now doing is called “moving the goalposts”.

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 18:42

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:39

I did not say they have a right to Federal funding did I? The conversation was about Free Speech and how the administration responds to speech they disagree with.

What you are now doing is called “moving the goalposts”.

You were the one who brought up Federal funding.

I have already shown that the threat about removing funding was not within the narrow context of violent acts.

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:44

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 18:42

You were the one who brought up Federal funding.

I have already shown that the threat about removing funding was not within the narrow context of violent acts.

Where within that do I say “they have a right to Federal funding”?

Calling out their weak commitment to Free Speech, using the example of Trump calling for financial consequences (in this case freezing federal funds) for universities that allow protest he disapproves is not, in any way shape or form me saying they have a right to federal funds.

But you knew that.

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 18:47

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:44

Where within that do I say “they have a right to Federal funding”?

Calling out their weak commitment to Free Speech, using the example of Trump calling for financial consequences (in this case freezing federal funds) for universities that allow protest he disapproves is not, in any way shape or form me saying they have a right to federal funds.

But you knew that.

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So you concede that dropping the funding was fully within the discretion of the government. That's fine.

Alexandra2001 · 17/08/2025 18:49

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 18:42

You were the one who brought up Federal funding.

I have already shown that the threat about removing funding was not within the narrow context of violent acts.

I ve read various stuff on cuts to scientific funding, up to 80%... Trump went on about trans mice, not realising the whole point was hormone research but then this is the guy that thought injecting bleach was worth looking into

Which may be good news for us, now we are back in Horizon.

The whole TACO thing gets me though, whether its tariffs or the strange hold Putin has over him, he doesn't follow up on threats made.

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:50

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 18:47

So you concede that dropping the funding was fully within the discretion of the government. That's fine.

Goalpost shifting.

Ggxzc · 17/08/2025 18:54

AntikytheraMech · 17/08/2025 18:29

I think one of the biggest disparities is that she was held on the remand without option of bail and he was released for a year to get his ducks in a row. And a fake ADHD diagnosis.

I think what she said was a horrible rude, disgusting comment. I vehemently disagree with it. But I don't think the sentence should have been custodial.

AntikytheraMech · 17/08/2025 19:01

Ggxzc · 17/08/2025 18:54

I think what she said was a horrible rude, disgusting comment. I vehemently disagree with it. But I don't think the sentence should have been custodial.

You've missed a point.
She was put in remand immediately until the trial was held.
He was let go on bail until his trial which was around one year later.
Black belt barrister who is a qualified professional, offers the terms that the law recommends versus what actually happened. No advice is given. Just how the law should have treated it according to their own guidelines.

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LifeExperience · 17/08/2025 19:16

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:34

We have laws against inciting racial hatred and against rioting, violence and causing criminal damage. People were charged, tried, and found guilty of breaking the law using lawful processes, and sentenced to a few months in prison. US sentencing is usually much harsher - people wouldn't see the light of day for years.

And now in the US people with the wrong coloured skin or accent are disappearing without lawful process or appeal. Get your own house in order. Good luck with voting out a dictator.

They are not being held without due process. They are being detained while an immigration judge processes their removal. NO ONE is going against the law or the Constitution. It is illegal to enter the US without prior approval. It is illegal to overstay a visa. All of these laws are on the books and have been for decades. They are just finally being enforced.

As for DC, guess what DC means? District of Columbia, another word for the federal government. DC has ALWAYS been under the purview of the federal government, but the responsibility for policing themselves was given to the residents who obviously couldn't handle the responsibility. It devolved into a lawless shithole, to the point where elected officials had to hire body guards or carry firearms themselves and staffers were being attacked in broad daylight.

The amount of ignorance on MN always astounds me.

MissConductUS · 17/08/2025 19:16

JHound · 17/08/2025 18:50

Goalpost shifting.

Again, you were the one who brought the whole topic of funding into the thread, not me, so it's a bit hard for me to be "goalpost shifting", and repeating yourself ad nauseam isn't making it any clearer.

LifeExperience · 17/08/2025 19:21

AntikytheraMech · 17/08/2025 18:21

You're talking out of your ass.
Where the heck did you get your figures from?
Don't spout made up figures at least without providing a credible recognized source
These are from professional polls:
A June 2025 Reuters/Ipsos poll shows Trump's overall approval rating at 42%, consistent with previous months.

A June 2025 Reuters/Ipsos poll shows Trump's overall approval rating at 42%, consistent with previous months.

Sources:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-approval-steady-42-support-weakens-his-immigration-policy-reutersipsos-2025-06-16/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer

Rasmussen, one of the few polls who called the 2024 election correctly, has Trump at 49% overall approval rating as of Aug. 15.

Amazing that people will run to obviously biased polls that had Kamala winning by several points to try to say Trump is unpopular. Trump's approval in this term is running much higher than it did in his first term.

Ggxzc · 17/08/2025 19:22

AntikytheraMech · 17/08/2025 19:01

You've missed a point.
She was put in remand immediately until the trial was held.
He was let go on bail until his trial which was around one year later.
Black belt barrister who is a qualified professional, offers the terms that the law recommends versus what actually happened. No advice is given. Just how the law should have treated it according to their own guidelines.

Understood. Thanks for clarifying. (I agree with you btw)

Horsie · 17/08/2025 19:40

JHound · 17/08/2025 17:52

I am well aware of the claims made about CRT. But social gossips and rumours aren’t facts.
Having details on schools that are teaching all white people are racist would be facts so I was interested to know which schools they are.

It's all online, if you care to look it up.

TinyIsMyNewt · 17/08/2025 19:45

Horsie · 17/08/2025 19:40

It's all online, if you care to look it up.

There's a lot of right wing screeching about CRT, and you can find examples, particularly out-of-contezt ones, where it looks daft (as you can with most things).

But criticism of CRT is mostly just stupid hyperbole.

And no, it does not teach that all white people are racist.