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To think that the USA is a dictatorship now?

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spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 20:24

Trump appears to have ultimate power. Who can challenge him? Who controls him? Presidents should not be dictating what drug companies charge for medicines on a whim, or indeed any other goods, at the drop of a hat. He says jump and the US says "How High?" What on earth have you done to yourselves and the world to let this evil, thick, orange toddler clown represent you? What the hell were you thinking?

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NCReceptor · 16/08/2025 03:12

One of those dreadful democratic dictatorships that elects their leaders.

Velmy · 16/08/2025 03:22

SpryUmberZebra · 16/08/2025 02:02

Here is Trump Tower in Chicago, beautiful building and I’ve enjoyed a few drinks at the roof top bar.

Can you explain how the money he used to build it can be traced back to Russia?

The Chicago Trump Tower was financed by a loan from Deutsch Bank, and three private hedge funds. One was backed by George Soros, I can't remember who the other two were, but likely not Russian.

YankSplaining · 16/08/2025 03:43

CerealForDinnerAgain · 16/08/2025 01:32

I’m an American living in the US.

Clearly most posters here have no idea wgat they are talking about. They’ve hr er lived here and never will. Do you think we even care what you think? Until you’re paying taxes here, it doesn’t matter.

But things are not so great in the UK either. Protest groups being classed as illegal. People being locked up for a casual tweet (that was subsequently removed). You can’t even choose what your own children take to school to eat at lunch time.

My “favorite” free speech incident in the UK was the teenage girl who was arrested for saying a police officer looked like her “lesbian nana.” That’s like something out of a dystopian novel.

If the US was a dictatorship, you wouldn’t be seeing loud, widespread opposition to Trump all over the nation. Do people think North Koreans are allowed to do that about Kim Jong Un? Do they think people in Nazi Germany were allowed to do that about Hitler?

Velmy · 16/08/2025 04:07

YankSplaining · 16/08/2025 03:43

My “favorite” free speech incident in the UK was the teenage girl who was arrested for saying a police officer looked like her “lesbian nana.” That’s like something out of a dystopian novel.

If the US was a dictatorship, you wouldn’t be seeing loud, widespread opposition to Trump all over the nation. Do people think North Koreans are allowed to do that about Kim Jong Un? Do they think people in Nazi Germany were allowed to do that about Hitler?

Edited

That's not exactly the case. The girl was picked up by the police for Drunk & Disorderly and taken back home, where she became combative and verbally abusive.

One of the officers did arrest her for using a homophobic slur (they were obviously looking for a reason to nick her by that point), but she was released shortly after and nothing came of it. The officer was investigated, and their behavior was addressed.

Not really a 'free speech incident', despite what some would like people to think.

TinyIsMyNewt · 16/08/2025 04:21

CerealForDinnerAgain · 16/08/2025 01:32

I’m an American living in the US.

Clearly most posters here have no idea wgat they are talking about. They’ve hr er lived here and never will. Do you think we even care what you think? Until you’re paying taxes here, it doesn’t matter.

But things are not so great in the UK either. Protest groups being classed as illegal. People being locked up for a casual tweet (that was subsequently removed). You can’t even choose what your own children take to school to eat at lunch time.

Until you’re paying taxes here, it doesn’t matter.
And yet people voted Trump.

Velmy · 16/08/2025 04:32

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 23:38

Here are the British statistics you claim we don’t keep:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/rapestatisticsbrokendownbyethnicgroup

I also read a report that said a third of rapes are committed by migrants in the U.K. that means two-thirds are committed by non-migrants. I hope that helps.

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15% of all sexual offences (including rape) were accounted for by foreign nationals in the most recent figures. Romanians had the most convictions, then Poles, Indians and Pakistanis.

I can't find the exact figure but I believe asylum seekers account for between 1-2% of all sexual offences.

YelloDaisy · 16/08/2025 06:29

I’d give him a ⭐️ for stopping immigration whereas our lot seem to be making it easier for immigrants to get in

Straycats · 16/08/2025 06:54

Oh dear your one of those OP, who barely reads beyond MSM.
Whilst here in the UK, we’ve got Starmer and Khan, complete open boarders, a dying NHS and record numbers being arrested for thought crime-oh god yes we live in such a great country, not!

Sausagenbacon · 16/08/2025 07:27

I also read a report that said a third of rapes are committed by migrants in the U.K. that means two-thirds are committed by non-migrants. I hope that helps

Has it occured to you to consider what proportion of the uk population are migrants?.

Sausagenbacon · 16/08/2025 07:36

You’ve ignored everything that anyone, including myself, has said to you if you can’t froth at it. Anything balanced or factual that anyone has responded to you you have absolutely ignored.

BINGO! 'frothing'.

And, whether you agree with vaseofviolets or not, I challenge any poster to find a post that displays that.

YelloDaisy · 16/08/2025 07:40

MistressoftheDarkSide · 16/08/2025 02:20

Haven't read the full thread, so don't know if the DC situation has been brought up.

When His Tangeriness invoked federal law and brought in the NG on the streets of the Capitol, I started a thread to ask what citizens on the ground felt / how they were being impacted, and it tanked with tumbleweed.....

Have been listening to various commentators, and seen some interesting stuff about his plans to tidy up the homeless using existing but old laws, which include institutionalising people for "vagrancy".

And he's talking about extending these powers / actions to other states.

I'm extremely surprised how sanguine everybody seems to be about these things.

I would really like to hear perspectives from MNetters living in DC.

We have our own homeless - what’s the solution?

lkjhgfdsa · 16/08/2025 07:41

SpryUmberZebra · 16/08/2025 00:02

Anyone who is legal has no issues and ICE is not picking people off the streets despite what Reddit tells you. Their raids are targeted similar to how the Home Office target and deport illegal immigrants even through I don’t see any outrage.

This is a video released by the UK Home Office recently showing the arrest of illegal immigrants, I guess people of colour are scared to go out in the UK now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BkMBCAtPa84

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NdgodIJXpQU

Yes I repeat it’s bullshit lies claiming immigrants are scared to go out except in liberal cities in California where they encourage illegal immigrants with their sanctuary city policies.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/native-americans-say-tribal-members-harassed-by-immigration-agents-2025-01-30/

To think that the USA is a dictatorship now?
lkjhgfdsa · 16/08/2025 08:00

NCReceptor · 16/08/2025 03:12

One of those dreadful democratic dictatorships that elects their leaders.

Do you think Putin is a dictator?

lkjhgfdsa · 16/08/2025 08:12

YankSplaining · 16/08/2025 03:43

My “favorite” free speech incident in the UK was the teenage girl who was arrested for saying a police officer looked like her “lesbian nana.” That’s like something out of a dystopian novel.

If the US was a dictatorship, you wouldn’t be seeing loud, widespread opposition to Trump all over the nation. Do people think North Koreans are allowed to do that about Kim Jong Un? Do they think people in Nazi Germany were allowed to do that about Hitler?

Edited

The one where a vulnerable autistic 16 year old was taken home by the police after reports she was intoxicated and at risk in the city centre? Seems her mother was concerned enough to film her being arrested but not enough to protect her from being in dangerous situation in the first place.

Dangermoo · 16/08/2025 08:28

Well said. Many of our citizens love to signal their virtue. They are obsessed with Trump and Farage, call everything they don't agree with Far right and/or racist. They will look for racism around every corner, while condescending POC. Being 'on the right side of history' - Gaza being a classic example - is a must for them. Luckily, the rest of us can just tell them to piss off, when they try to recruit you - except you can't say that as deliciously on here, as you can outside this bubble.

ETA@ @CerealForDinnerAgain

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 08:56

SamPM · 15/08/2025 21:27

Oh, and please do explain how Trump signing executive orders asking drug companies to reduce their charges to Americans is a bad thing? Do you have any idea how exorbitant drug prices are in the US? People have DIED in this country because they cannot afford their treatment. Your comment makes no sense.

People die in the US because you have no health service & they will continue to die.

Trump being "the big i am" over Ukraine, his siding up to Putin, whats all that about??
Putin invaded, yet Zelensky is the bad guy....

Trump supports/excuses Putin at every opportunity, the real question is why??

Trump is actually a very poor "dictator" he is weak, very weak, you think you've a strong man but TACO is very real, does it on tariffs, does it over Putin.

My own belief is Putin has something over Trump.... You lot elected a Russian Stooge.

2 Tier justice? Trump ordered the release of people who tried to kill police officers at the Whitehouse and who he encouraged to overthrow an election.

...I'd look at your own justice issues and freedom of speech restrictions first.

StandFirm · 16/08/2025 09:12

SriouslyWhutNow · 15/08/2025 20:55

I'm not sure you understand the word "dictatorship" OP. Try looking at countries with actual dictatorships for reference.

All-powerful executive branch (well, one person only: POTUS) and subservient legislative and judicial branches (ie. removal of checks and balances), extreme gerrymandering potentially compromising the fairness of future elections , pressuring of academia and media, unaccountable beefed up agency dedicated to the removal of undesirables, military takeover of cities... I mean, it's not looking good. Anyone with any notion of political philosophy and history is in agreement that all of the above are telltale signs.

DdraigGoch · 16/08/2025 09:14

Bathingforest · 15/08/2025 21:59

it is not forever and he is not really a dictator
many people like him , many don't
are the UK better off and in what way

The UK doesn‘t have gangs of masked men lifting people off of the streets and sending them to CECOT with no due process.

The UK doesn't have DOGE rooting through its computers and passing confidential information to the Russians.

The UK isn’t starting a pointless trade war with the whole world, in which there will be no winners (but the US will be the biggest loser).

The UK doesn‘t have a head of state who let a violent insurrection happen.

The UK isn't deploying troops to suppress its major cities.

The UK isn't cracking down on academic freedom.

Do I need to go on? Yes, the UK is far better off.

StandFirm · 16/08/2025 09:18

CerealForDinnerAgain · 16/08/2025 01:32

I’m an American living in the US.

Clearly most posters here have no idea wgat they are talking about. They’ve hr er lived here and never will. Do you think we even care what you think? Until you’re paying taxes here, it doesn’t matter.

But things are not so great in the UK either. Protest groups being classed as illegal. People being locked up for a casual tweet (that was subsequently removed). You can’t even choose what your own children take to school to eat at lunch time.

It absolutely matters to the rest of the world. Have you thought of the millions of people affected by the withdrawal of USAid? And for Europe, you may not give a shit, but the decisions your dismal administration is taking directly and deeply affects our security. I have two kids of fighting age. I care.
By the way, I have have been a regular visitor to the US for my entire life, am partly US educated and have my childhood friends in the US. They agree with me.

Nagginthenag · 16/08/2025 09:19

'Protest groups being classed as illegal.'

Palestine Action weren't banned for protesting. Heaven knows, we have hundreds, probably thousands of protest groups in the UK doing their thing every day of the week. They were banned because of stunts like breaking into an Raf base. I' my guessing if a similar group had broken into an USAF base they wouldn't have been arrested and their group banned, but would have probably been shot.

As to Russian meddling in US elections - from Trump's mouth to your ear.......

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/18/donald-trump-putin-2016-election-russia-cbs

https://time.com/5341137/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russian-meddling-correction/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/senate-panel-finds-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-us-election

The last is about a report from a Republican led Senate committee.

Trump now claims he was 'very strong' with Putin on election meddling

After clashing statements on who was responsible, president claims he told Russian leader: ‘We can’t have this’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/18/donald-trump-putin-2016-election-russia-cbs

Dangermoo · 16/08/2025 09:29

Nagginthenag · 16/08/2025 09:19

'Protest groups being classed as illegal.'

Palestine Action weren't banned for protesting. Heaven knows, we have hundreds, probably thousands of protest groups in the UK doing their thing every day of the week. They were banned because of stunts like breaking into an Raf base. I' my guessing if a similar group had broken into an USAF base they wouldn't have been arrested and their group banned, but would have probably been shot.

As to Russian meddling in US elections - from Trump's mouth to your ear.......

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/18/donald-trump-putin-2016-election-russia-cbs

https://time.com/5341137/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russian-meddling-correction/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/senate-panel-finds-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-us-election

The last is about a report from a Republican led Senate committee.

Correct about PAG - protestors, when they support those terrorists, are supporting interfering with military aircraft. I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Dangermoo · 16/08/2025 09:32

DdraigGoch · 16/08/2025 09:14

The UK doesn‘t have gangs of masked men lifting people off of the streets and sending them to CECOT with no due process.

The UK doesn't have DOGE rooting through its computers and passing confidential information to the Russians.

The UK isn’t starting a pointless trade war with the whole world, in which there will be no winners (but the US will be the biggest loser).

The UK doesn‘t have a head of state who let a violent insurrection happen.

The UK isn't deploying troops to suppress its major cities.

The UK isn't cracking down on academic freedom.

Do I need to go on? Yes, the UK is far better off.

What dictatorship still has freedom of expression?

LakieLady · 16/08/2025 09:36

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 21:41

It's not in a state and certainly not compared to the US. We have a proper political and legal system with checks and balances and an independent system. We have free and accessible healthcare, not the scraps thrown to you occasionally after emptying your wallets into insurance. We have at least five weeks annual leave a year and proper matenity leave and sound employment rights. We have a very safe, tolerant country where we can freely express our views without fear of reprisal. We have largely very good race and gender relations. We don't have guns and violent crime is low. We don't have hundreds of kids killed by lone gumen a year in schools - in fact, like in most countries without a gun culture, we usually have zero school shootings in a year, unlike the US which averages one a week. Women can get safe, free abortions and contraception without fear of ptosecution or persecution. The US is seriously fucked up and is fast going to hell in a handcart with an orange rapist dictator.

Agree with all of this except for the last word.

America is not a dictatorship yet. I will reserve judgement on that point until we see if he tries to extend his term somehow, eg postponing the election for some spurious reason. He's got form, the events on Jan 6 showed us that.

Some of the actions the immigration service is taking in his name are appalling, and clearly contrary to human rights, like this US citizen child with cancer detained . Where's the due process, and right to challenge the action?

There's a lot wrong with the UK, for sure, but our government isn't locking up and deporting children, and certainly not children who are UK citizens.

ICE sent 3 U.S. citizen children, including boy with cancer, to Honduras with their deported moms

An immigration group filed a lawsuit on behalf of two families, saying they were not given access to legal counsel before two mothers and their children were sent to Central America.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-deport-us-citizen-kids-stage-4-cancer-honduras-rcna224501

Dangermoo · 16/08/2025 09:39

Somebody better explain to the OP what the First Amendment is.

WhereIsMyJumper · 16/08/2025 09:41

SriouslyWhutNow · 15/08/2025 20:55

I'm not sure you understand the word "dictatorship" OP. Try looking at countries with actual dictatorships for reference.

Yep.
I wouldn’t say things in the US seem great but that’s by our standards - compare the US to any actual dictatorship past or present and the US will seem like a utopia

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