Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

[rubicustellitall]

Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

The right wing struggle with very simple facts... so your post is unreasonable

It is a problem for Labour.

So moral of the story is, if you are guilty of a harsh, disproportionate law, go for a jury trial and plead innocent.

The jury will judge the law, not you.

On this type of thing yes.

You're derailing the thread trying to talk about Reform.

I'm wondering why you think the two cases are alike given that you're aware that Connelly pleaded guilty and was charged with different offences. After Connelly posted her Tweet, people attempted to burn people alive, yet after Jones' remarks, no one attempted to commit any violence. There were completely different outcomes.

I'd be interested to hear your reasoning.

Both incitement to violence.

Both in public sphere (one online, one to camera) so equal in ability to be shared widely, during a heightened period of disorder.

Councillor vs councillors wife.

Support for reform has increased massively.

Not in the by elections they lost this week in Cardiff and Newcastle.

If it's a gamble, it's a high stakes one. Barristers are not allowed to call for (or even mention or explain) the powers of a jury, and any self representing defendant will be prevented from trying to call for it in their address to the jury.

Given the public ignorance of our legal system (exhibit A: this thread) then the notion that even one of the 12 jurors actually knows about jury nullification - let alone be able to persuade 11 peers to grasp the fact - seems fanciful at best.

If you want perfect justice, then invite Vladimir Putin to run the UK. I understand that Russian justice always gets it right.

One pleaded guilty and had dozens of racist hate tweets to her name, over many months... Sentenced according to Sentencing guidelines, written long ago.

The other pleaded not guilty, tried in a crown court, one alleged incident, which then found him No Guilty of.

Its incredible you keep banging this drum...

15% of the vote in Cardiff. They came 4th. Greens won by a whisker at 24%. Labour 23%. Grangetown is a deprived, diverse area which doesn't like racists.

Posts make prizes

I was asked how the cases were similar. I answered.

What should I have said ‘Oh you’re right, there’s ZERO similarities’

Hardly banging a drum 🙄

If you think the BBC was quiet about those, you try and find any details at Reform HQ.

People missing the salient points (as usual). Yes Connolly pleaded guilty and Jones didn't. That's because she was told if she pleaded not guilty she would be held on remand for up to a year and not see her child whereas if she pleaded guilty she would be out toute suite (and that is what would usually would happen and what her solicitor works have thought). However Starmer politicised the whole thing and warned "the far right" rioters they would get exemplary sentences and didn't add if they were guilty so moving away from innocent until proven guilty rule that has always existed. Jones was given bail. Additionally no one has ever proved Conolly incited anyone (ditto Jones) but Connoly added for all I care to what she said unlike Jones which changes the whole meaning of the sentence.

I posted the laws she was charged under and sentencing guidelines for those laws earlier for you. They weren't charged with the same offences and Connelly pleaded guilty ie she said she had indeed meant to incite racial hatred and endanger life. Jones pleaded not guilty ie he did not mean to encourage violence.

After Connelly Tweeted, her post was viewed over 300k and people tried to set light to occupied buildings. After Jones made his remarks, no one was harmed meaning that no one acted on what he said.

Do you see the difference?

He pleaded not guilty and a jury found him-somewhat bizarrely, IMHO- not guilty.

She pleaded guilty-and was sentenced accordingly.

No “tiers” involved.

https://news.starknakedbrief.co.uk/p/britains-political-prisoners-a-year good explanation.

Then she should be pursuing a professional negligence claim against her solicitors for poor advice.

Why did you ask for similarities, if you’re just focussing on differences?

What was the point of asking me what similarities there were?

Connelly pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly. No one forced her to plead guilty and you seem to be making things up eg that she was told she'd be released immediately if she pleaded guilty and Starmer did nothing of the sort. He has no control over sentencing guidelines. The court didn't agree with you that 'for all I care" meant she didn't mean it.

Of course you can answer as you like. I get your irritation at that.

"Political prisoners"? You mean racist thugs.

That's because she was told if she pleaded not guilty she would be held on remand for up to a year and not see her child whereas if she pleaded guilty she would be out toute suite (and that is what would usually would happen and what her solicitor works have thought)

Funny then that she signed a document acknowledging she understood she would recieve a custodial sentence of a length set out in the sentencing guidelines if she pleaded guilty.

Nah that's not true, you love it

I didn't just ask you for similarities. I said:

I'm wondering why you think the two cases are alike given that you're aware that Connelly pleaded guilty and was charged with different offences.