Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

[rubicustellitall]

Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

Fortunately so is the thread!

just waiting for 'hurty words'

I have serious caring responsibilities. I don't go round tweeting in the middle of riots. And even if I did - which I don't - it would be a one off, not the culmination of weeks and months of similar tweets. And if I were to be arrested (which I wouldn't be, because I wouldn't have tweeted) then I wouldn't go on to privately message my friends and brag about how clever I was being in planning to pretend to suffer poor mental health.

What ever happened to "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time ?".

It would be surprising if this thread closed before it's full.

She didn't regret her actions. She talked about using the "mental health card" to deny responsibility. She had a history of racist Tweets. She spoke to staff about why she didn't understand what she'd done wrong. The court of appeal agreed with the initial sentencing.

She didn't regret her actions. She talked about using the "mental health card" to deny responsibility. She had a history of racist Tweets. She spoke to staff about why she didn't understand what she'd done wrong. The court of appeal agreed with the initial sentencing.

I can see why some people might take a stance that if you are too stupid to understand the law then it shouldn't apply to you. However that runs counter to the arguments a lot of people make that people are bound by the law regardless of their personal circumstances.

I feel sorry for the child as well. However, I don't think that having a child should give you a free pass to commit crimes with impunity. It is a pity that the child's mother apparently didn't consider the needs of her daughter when she was busily engaged in whipping up racial hatred online and encouraging people to burn asylum seekers alive.

I also don't think it's true that she regretted her actions, given her comments afterwards about playing the mental health card etc.

However, I don't think that having a child should give you a free pass to commit crimes with impunity. I

A lot of people would disagree with you. "Speaking as a parent ..." 😀

Because these are the CPS's own sentencing guidelines in respect of custody.
Custody as opposed to a suspended sentence is only used as a last resort

Factors taken into account to NOT suspend:
Offender presents a risk/danger to the public N/A
History of poor compliance with court orders N/A
Appropriate punishment can only be achieved by immediate custody - this is where I think it got political

In addition the CPS states that where dependents are involved, then a custodial sentence should not be imposed. LC was not a danger to the public and she had a tween aged girl who needed her mother. This was not taken into account, in my view, to set an example that such tweets will not be tolerated.

This is not excusing what LC did, nor even arguing against the conviction. It is the sentencing which is harsh in that the judge could have suspended it, but did not.

No, the fact that everyone knew where violent protests against asylum seekers were taking place makes it very pertinent.

In addition the CPS states that where dependents are involved, then a custodial sentence should not be imposed

Surely that is only where the defendent is the sole carer @Rainydayinlondon ?

So why are women with children jailed at all?

Not necessarily...I know that age 11-12 is a critical time for the MH of many young girls.
This poor girl was deprived of her mother when the guidelines explicitly state that custody (as opposed to a suspended sentence) is only used a last resort where members of the public are in danger and the defendant is a repeat offender.

Can you link to the part of the guidelines you are quoting, please?

Her sentence was used as a deterrent as well as punishment in line with previous riots and to stop the riots. I wonder if the current "anti immigration protests" would have got further out of hand had this not been dealt with in this way last year. Her husband was available to take care of their child. Otherwise it would apply to every parent convicted of a crime.

Because they are repeat offenders or they are a danger to society and cannot be rehabilitated.

I think LC has learned her lesson without 2 and a half years in jail

We’ll never know, will we? She may not have learnt anything.

Time will tell.

She will be out at the end of this month.

Other forums are mocking this place so much that they feel the need to send over a steady stream just to say so

The thread's nearly full. Can they squeeze in one last insult?

I am never sure whether a link could be identifying but search "Sentencing council" and then look up the offence she was charged with.

The custody guidelines are crystal clear and they say that even if the threshold for custody is met, custody should only be reserved for the most serious of offences and that means serious within those particular offences of inciting hatred (ie they're not comparing with shoplifting)

Links aren't identifying!

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