Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

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Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

Has anyone mentioned the people on the grassy knoll yet ?

They did...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/public-warned-after-razor-blades-33388679

What are you referring to exactly? Other than the insult

Given the utter dimwittery on this thread, I really think I did. The ignorance displayed here is astonishing. I wasn't even born in the UK and I understand its legal system better than some on this thread.

And what's worse - people have been presented with the actual facts and they still carry on spouting their nonsense.

They were both remanded initially, meaning neither were initially granted bail.

Jones was granted bail at a later stage of proceedings, after entering a not guilty plea and having his trial date set.

Connolly pleaded guilty.

This is not complicated.

Whoever that is really is acting in bad faith.

They posted a fucking Facebook/X meme earlier.

Yes I understand that.

Mu question is why was she denied bail twice.

This is not common for a first offence

They committed different crimes, under different circumstances. Why are you only comparing Connelly? Loads of people commit crimes in the UK, compare them all.

It has been explained to the poster, several times, that neither were initially granted bail.

Jones was granted bail only.after entering a not guilty plea, and having a trial date set.

Connolly pled guilty.

And even if we were talking about the same crime (which we aren't) and two cases that proceeded in the same way (which they didn't), there is not an exact formula for who is or who is not granted bail in which circumstances and, even if presented with identical circumstances, there is zero guarantee of two judges making the same decision on a bail hearing.

She was denied bail twice, before entering a plea.

I’m saying this is very uncommon, and as an example of her being treated more harshly.

You’re the one having on about who was remanded and when. My point was her being denied bail.

He was granted it, she was denied it.

His treatment was usual. Hers wasn’t

Being denied bail for a first defence is not particularly common, but it depends on the severity of the case. Neither were initially granted bail.

A bail application is more likely to succeed if a defendant has entered a not guilty plea. Jones entered a not guilty plea and his subsequent bail application wad successful. Connolly had not entered a plea at the time her second application was denied.

Were the other people who were arrested during the riots denied bail as well?

You'd better compare Connolly with them

Do you think she was treated harshly?

Before this happened, would this have been the outcome you predicted for this case?

You usually get less time for pleading guilty, which is I’m sure what she was advised.

I understand that it’s dependent on the judge.

I believe she had the book thrown at her to set an example.

The Ones I saw on the news carrying machetes don’t seem to have been arrested, so I can’t…..

Are those the only ones you saw last August?

It was a jury trial. Are we against those now?

Do you think she was treated harshly?
No.

Before this happened, would this have been the outcome you predicted for this case?
I wouldn't necessarily have predicted her plea. Once she had pleaded guilty, her sentence was quite predictable (3 years being the starting point for sentencing, and 2 years the minimum).

There might be fewer of those soon, given recommendations

Yes, I think they only work in homogenous societies, many groups now are biased towards their own group ethnicity/religion, this has been proved in research (white Europeans tend not to be and even biased towards other groups as they have been ingrained with the need not to be racist). That is probably one of the reasons the govt is phasing them out.

Why are you on here then if you feel it's not up to your level of intellect. Is it just so you can insult people to make yourself feel superior.

I have noticed you do this quite a lot on threads where you disagree with people.

I'm here because promoting the delusion of two tier justice is toxic and bad for maintaining a functioning society. The people who come on here and do not listen to the facts are part of that promotion of falsehoods. You should be concerned about that and I wonder why you do not appear to be.

As for insults - I have merely pointed out that some here are either unable or unwilling to understand the UK justice system. If the issue is the former then some reading up on civics would sort it. If it's the latter then again, that is a cause for concern. Instead of chiming in, try standing against the waves of misinformation and outright lies posted here and on other forums.

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Apparently jury trials are “notoriously unreliable” - but only I suspect if their verdict doesn’t suit you.

The government is phasing out trial by jury?

Yes. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2m808kml0o.amp