Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

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Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

I think this is the key to the two different outcomes; I read a long article by Allison Pearson about the case and although sympathetic to Connolly it did acknowledge her propensity for ignoring legal advice. It feels like she panicked when placed on remand and wanted to get to trial quickly, so pleaded guilty when she had at least a fair argument that she was being rhetorical ("...for all I care") on which she could have based a defence of a not guilty plea.

Ricky Jones spent some time on remand but perhaps had better advice (or perhaps listened better to advice) and has been found not guilty by a jury.

I was absolutely incensed by the Connolly sentence and only slightly less incensed when Starmer pretended he hadn't heard of the case when asked about it. I suppose I did have faith in British justice, but never had faith in him being anything other than a weaselly smug prick (who I voted for FFS). He deserves a much worse nickname than Two-Tier Kier. However, I digress, you can't compare the cases because one was sentenced and one wasn't. This isn't evidence of two-tier anything.

The police told the public to be vigilant after this was reported:

Public warned after razor blades found under far-right extremist stickers at train station - The Mirror

There are many crimes by which people are given suspended sentences, and have custodial sentences within the guidelines.

You think it’s fine, I don’t

I just hope you don’t get annoyed when OAPs are being arrested for protesting then.

Do you think he just forgot to apply for bail for a couple of months?

What?
That doesn’t even remotely make sense.

He applied and it was granted.
She applied, and it was denied.

What I’m asking is why, as on the face of it, similar offences

@goldthumbis correct in earlier post

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/ricky-jones-labour-councilor-trial-riots-delay-b1205817.html

But they couldn't be treated the same, because they entered different pleas. The process for each is clearly laid down in law.

You really don't need a law qualification to understand that, just some basic literacy.

Some posters identify as lawyers.

They weren't charged with the same offence and the circumstances are different. Jones was charged with encouraging violent behaviour and he pleaded not guilty.

Yes remanded initially then granted bail, it’s in the article linked in pp

He was initially remanded, following his initial hearing.

That means he was either initially denied bail, or just didnt bother applying to start.

It's not surprising that, once a trial date was set for some 10+ months later, he was granted bail (on what was very likely his second application).

without knowing why one was denied bail and one was allowed it is too simplistic to say they gave different pleas, being held in custody will change the legal advice given. It is much easier to plead not guilty in the comfort of your own home, than taking the risk of a sentence being less than time spent in remand. Even if Connolly had been found not guilty she may have already spent a year incarcerated.

If she'd continued to plead not guilty, she might well have been let out on bail but with strict conditions.

Different alleged crimes.
Different courts.
Different pleas.

And even if it had been the same set of circumstances, different juries and different judges give different sentences.

This "Two Teir Justice" nonsense is spouted by folks who have no idea whatsoever about how the justice system works (which is surprising as I'd assume that, as a cohort, many of them have probably spent half their lives in custody).

My whole point was that he was granted bail, and she wasn’t, which doesn’t make sense to me.

Him being initially remanded is a bit of a red herring, as my point was that she denied bail, whereas he wasn’t.

Which to be fair is kind of what it says in ChatGPT.

I asked it specifically about bail, and not remand, and so it would only be referring to bail hearings.

So his initial remand would obviously be before the bail hearing, and it’s the bail hearings that ChatGPT said weren’t reported on.

Unless someone can find a report which says he was denied bail at any point, then it doesn’t alter my point

They committed different crimes which had different outcomes.

Someone is remanded if they are not granted bail...

I hear what you’re saying, I’m wondering the same. Sorry to hear about your ds’ attack btw

No need for rudeness. You didn't need to add the last sentence.

I dread this place descending into X/Facebook racist memes.

Reported.

But he was granted bail?
And she wasn’t?

She may also have been found not guilty when 12 people were asked to assess her guilt.

We'll never know.

I don't believe you're as stupid as you're pretending to be.

She opted to plead guilty, he was acquitted. There's no valid comparison between the two, so it's not two-tier justice.

She may well have been badly advised, but no-one made her take that advice. This is on her, I'm afraid.

You know my point was that he was released on bail, whilst she was denied bail twice.

My point was that she was denied bail. Not that either of them were at any point remanded.
He was released on bail, and she was denied it.

That was my point.