Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

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Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

Because she died in vain ?

I was being satirical

Huh? I am not sure I understand your conclusion that the lay judge system would mean more innocent people are punished. Or that I am ok with locking up innocent people. How odd.

It's just as conceivable that the jury convicts in error than the other way around. My view is that I would just rather have someone with a bit of knowledge and qualification making that decision than the lottery of who you are going to get of the street.

I think different outcomes happen to different people who commit different crimes and give different pleas.

Indeed.

Whether someone is remanded to prison or is free leading up to trial has an impact on outcomes. People in custody are already being effectively punished and are more likely to take deals or compromise during trial just to get things over with. A person in custody who fights and fights for a not guilty verdict and wins can end up serving more time than someone who capitulates.

it is a game of strategy and not all people are treated the same by the court even when charged with the same crime. Some people are much more likely to be held than others. it is not just money that makes a difference in court, it is social status and social currency.

Well that's what the left demand all the time. The latest being the Palestinian Action Group rabble.

Trial by jury is very much a lottery. On the one I sat on we had a very vocal and prominent chairwoman who managed to convince many from the outset that proof beyond reasonable doubt only applied in murder and that they only needed to convince us he could have done it, after all he wouldn't have been arrested if they didn't think he did it. Some juries will assume you're guilty from the outset.

Sorry. It's actually getting hard to tell these days as there are so many people utterly devoid of any rational thought.

When you can tell me how your system addresses the Anne Frank issue, you will have answered your own question.

There is a saying about the process being the punishment. As the protesters arrested (but not charged) on Saturday will testify.

Why are you assuming that Anne Frank would have been found non-guilty by a jury? And lay judges serve the same function as a jury.

I am also not saying any system is perfect. Including that of trial by jury. Nor do I think one hypothetical argument is going to throw any solution entirely out the window. There are loads of hypothetical situations that make juries anything but fair and impartial. It's slightly bemusing to me that you somehow think they will somehow always conclude in the favour of the defendant. My assumption would be the opposite.

Someone mentioned that Snaresbrook Court has a very low conviction rate. What happens if justice is frequently not being served in a court? Setting aside this particular case, what if juries are finding defendants not guilty despite clear evidence?

Or even worse, the other way around. Especially in areas with high level of prejudice.

God, I hope she didn’t prevail. That’s scandalous.

In theory, the justice system should be overseeing that. However although it is independent of government, it's spending (or lack thereof) is set by the government. Draw your own conclusions.

However it's no secret outside this thread that the last 14 years have seen every public facing government function starved of cash, so I suspect the real answer here is "there isn't the money".

Well remember some jurors do their own research by ouija board.

Of course there is a two tier justice system. What the left call “the long march through the institutions” is complete. People with liberal-left/globalist Marxist views dominate academia, the BBC, the arts, and the publishing industry.

If someone were to go online and call for Jeremy Corbyn or Owen Jones to be murdered, we all know they’d be treated more harshly than someone who said precisely the same thing about Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson. When that girl threw a drink in Nigel Farage’s face, we all knew nothing would happen to her. I’m not at all surprised Ricky Jones got away with it, nor am I surprised Bob Vylan escaped punishment. How anyone can compare Lucy Connolly and Ricky Jones and not think we live in a two tier justice system is beyond me.

The control the left now have genuinely frightens me. A year or so back attempts were made to publish an edited/re-written version of a Roald Dahl book. That scared the hell out of me because I knew they were just testing the waters. The people involved didn’t care about Dahl, they just wanted to test the public reaction. It won’t be long before you can no longer buy an original/authentic version of Jane Austen or George Eliot or Dickens. You’ll have to read the woke/DEI re-write. If you like great literature, and you see Wuthering Heights or Brideshead Revisited in a charity shop, I’d advise you to buy it and put it in a drawer. One day it might be illegal to own the original. I’ll get ridiculed and attacked for saying that, but just wait and see.

Full transparency: ChatGPT’d this as didn’t know exact dates from the top of my head.

Lucy Connolly: Bail Hearing Recap

• Date & Court: On 10 August 2024, Lucy Connolly first appeared at Nottingham Magistrates’ Court, where she did not enter a plea and was remanded in custody .
• Crown Court Bail Application: On 22 August 2024, during a bail application at Northampton Crown Court, the judge again refused bail, keeping her in custody . Although the detailed judicial reasoning wasn’t published, the decision indicates the court considered her a risk—perhaps of reoffending, public disorder, or non-attendance.
• Plea and Sentencing: Connolly pleaded guilty on 2 September 2024 at Birmingham Crown Court and was later sentenced in October .

Ricky Jones: Bail Hearing Recap

• Arrest & Charge: Ricky Jones was arrested and charged with encouraging violent disorder following his recorded rally speech on 7 August 2024. The CPS authorized his charge on 9 August 2024, and he appeared before Westminster Magistrates’ Court that afternoon .
• Bail Status: Public sources mention his prosecution and trial extensively, but none reference him being denied bail or remanded in custody. The absence of any mention of bail refusal or remand strongly implies that he was granted bail and remained free pending trial .
• Trial Outcome: Jones was tried at Snaresbrook Crown Court and acquitted on 15 August 2025 .

Person
Bail Hearing Details
Lucy Connolly
Remanded at initial magistrates’ hearing (Aug 10, 2024); bail refused again at Crown Court (Aug 22, 2024); remained in custody until plea.
Ricky Jones
No public record of bail refusal; charge authorized (Aug 9, 2024) and absence of remand references suggest bail was granted.

Key Takeaways

• Transparency: Connolly’s bail hearings were explicitly reported—and both resulted in remand. In contrast, there’s no public documentation of Jones facing a bail hearing or remand, pointing to a likely grant of bail.
• Inference by Omission: When a defendant is remanded, it’s typically reported. Since nothing was reported about Jones’s bail being refused or remanded, we can reasonably infer that the court saw no serious risk in releasing him on bail.

This is why I find it hard to tell whether posters are being satirical or not.

I think this person is posting for real, but it would make more sense if it is supposed to be a joke?

He was remanded in custody but only for a month, I think. I seem to remember there was much wailing when he was released on bail.

It was reported that Jones was remanded in custody though?

There is a kernel to agree with there (for me). I am no fan of people "improving" books for "the modern audience" because the scope for gaslighting is too great.

However most of that post is utter bilge,

I’m glad you know you’ll be ridiculed for this nonsense. It saves me having to actually type out the ridicule, which frees me up to go and hide my copy of Jane Eyre, just to be on the safe side.

The posts don’t seem to match the majority yanbu vote