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Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

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rubicustellitall · 15/08/2025 15:00

Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

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pointythings · 18/08/2025 21:32

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/08/2025 21:30

You have got to wonder why some people are so invested in defending a racist tweet.

Or even a two month spree of racist tweets, which is what the fans do so love to forget.

SerendipityJane · 18/08/2025 21:32

PandoraSocks · 18/08/2025 21:26

"Tweet of apathy" is a weird phrase that has been used by several new posters on this thread in relation to LC's tweet.

What does it mean? Is it a reference to Lucy Connolly saying "set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care".

I guess this isn't the place for a discussion over the imperative or the indicative ?

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:33

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/08/2025 21:30

You have got to wonder why some people are so invested in defending a racist tweet.

You have to wonder why some people are so invested attacking a racist tweet compared to paedophiles like Hugh Edwards who avoid prison.

PandoraSocks · 18/08/2025 21:33

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:26

Also to add to my last comment if your logic is " sentences should be based on how other people react " and according to you "no one acted upon Jones' words", by that mad logic if in 5 years someone watching his rant on youtube goes out and slits someone's throat Jones will be re arrested? If not why not?According to you people were following Lucy's apathetic tweet and burning hotels down which is false as the tweet was after reported burnings.

According to you people were following Lucy's apathetic tweet and burning hotels down which is false as the tweet was after reported burnings

That is not true.

Connolly's tweet was made on the 29th July, the day of the Southport murders. Attempts to set fire to hotels were in the days following 29th July.

pointythings · 18/08/2025 21:34

I know you think tweets should receive life in prison and Jones should be knighted for death threats,

You accuse us of positing strawmen and then you post this - oh, the irony.

Do please link us to where any of us have said what you just posted, won't you?

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:35

PandoraSocks · 18/08/2025 21:26

"Tweet of apathy" is a weird phrase that has been used by several new posters on this thread in relation to LC's tweet.

What does it mean? Is it a reference to Lucy Connolly saying "set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care".

What does for all I care mean to you?

pointythings · 18/08/2025 21:35

PandoraSocks · 18/08/2025 21:33

According to you people were following Lucy's apathetic tweet and burning hotels down which is false as the tweet was after reported burnings

That is not true.

Connolly's tweet was made on the 29th July, the day of the Southport murders. Attempts to set fire to hotels were in the days following 29th July.

Misrepresentation or deliberate lie - one wonders.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/08/2025 21:35

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:33

You have to wonder why some people are so invested attacking a racist tweet compared to paedophiles like Hugh Edwards who avoid prison.

Whatabouttery at its finest.

SerendipityJane · 18/08/2025 21:37

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:35

What does for all I care mean to you?

Golly ! This is just like O level Eng. Lit !

Butyouneverasked · 18/08/2025 21:38

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/08/2025 21:35

Whatabouttery at its finest.

Wow...you don't wonder at the very different outcomes?

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:38

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/08/2025 21:29

You're expending a lot of effort over some racist you're not a fan off. You're incredibly dismissive of the judicial system so you're hardly interested in that. Jones was found not guilty and the crime he was charged with was legally less serious.

You completely dismissed a legal explanation as to why, therefore it seems you're raging about something you're not actually interested in. And suggesting you're a fan when you're bending over backwards to paint her as innocent, is hardly "hysteria".

I believe in common sense and when I see women saying another woman should be jailed for 2 and a half years when there aren't enough prisons to take convicted paedophiles like Hugh Edwards ( and others) along with all sorts of other scum yeah it disgusts me. Maybe I'm old fashioned and think child abuse is worse than a tweet. It's the "law" though so we shouldn't question it apparently.

TinyIsMyNewt · 18/08/2025 21:39

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:22

We can't ignore laws, but we can look to advance society using common sense. Centuries ago dark haired women were burnt for being witches, women couldn't get mortgages, men controlled every aspect of society but the law changed and the current laws will also changed. Maybe you need to stop frothing and realise discussing how backward many laws are is the way to advance society not just saying " It's the law guvnor" as some kind of moral template for everything.

What the law currently says is entirely relevant to claims of "two teir justice" (particularly against a government who didn't introduce the laws...) and to accusations (like yours) that the cases were handled "in a disgusting way".

If you think the law is wrong, that is a different argument altogether - and I have said myself that I disagree with the "strict-liability" nature of Connolly's offence.

That said, I also think the evidence against her shows that she knew exactly what she was doing, and thought she'd be able to lie her way out of it, so I don't find her a sympathetic victim - she's a scumbag.

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:41

PandoraSocks · 18/08/2025 21:33

According to you people were following Lucy's apathetic tweet and burning hotels down which is false as the tweet was after reported burnings

That is not true.

Connolly's tweet was made on the 29th July, the day of the Southport murders. Attempts to set fire to hotels were in the days following 29th July.

Her tweet was made after some hotels were burnt or she wouldn't have used the eg in the first place. Unless she turned up herself or was commander of an army it's irrelevant anyway. If you said " drop dead moron" and I killed myself, I wouldn't expect you to be arrested. People take responsibility for actions in real life not because a tweet said " for all I care".

pointythings · 18/08/2025 21:42

Butyouneverasked · 18/08/2025 21:38

Wow...you don't wonder at the very different outcomes?

No, because they have been explained ad nauseam. Different crime, different sentencing criteria. different choice of judicial process involved. Let this sink in: pleading guilty means you will be sentenced. And a judge has to follow sentencing guidelines. The max for what Connolly was charged with is 7 years. There's literally nothing at all to wonder about.

You can say you don't like the law and its outcomes, but that does not mean it has been incorrectly or inequitably applied.

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:43

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/08/2025 21:35

Whatabouttery at its finest.

No it isn't people are using the law to defend the sentence. Do we just ignore the law for other horrific cases like Edwards?

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:46

TinyIsMyNewt · 18/08/2025 21:39

What the law currently says is entirely relevant to claims of "two teir justice" (particularly against a government who didn't introduce the laws...) and to accusations (like yours) that the cases were handled "in a disgusting way".

If you think the law is wrong, that is a different argument altogether - and I have said myself that I disagree with the "strict-liability" nature of Connolly's offence.

That said, I also think the evidence against her shows that she knew exactly what she was doing, and thought she'd be able to lie her way out of it, so I don't find her a sympathetic victim - she's a scumbag.

She may be a scumbag, but you have actually said the crime Jones has committed is LESS serious. It's insanity which you know deep down so you have to delve into outdated laws to justify your position. Real life crimes are more serious than tweets to most people walking the streets but the police agree with you which is why you're more likely to be arrested for words on twitter than actual crime these days. No one is saying Connolly is a nice person but what she did isn't close to Jones yet he's down the boozer tonight

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/08/2025 21:47

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:32

No one knows why anyone in a prison cell pleads to anything - likely to be a duty solicitor telling her what to do and threats of a longer term for a deleted tweet in today's clown world. I know you think tweets should receive life in prison and Jones should be knighted for death threats, but the reality is threats in person are always more serious than something said on a social media site represented by a bloody blue bird. She probably isn't very bright and didn't understand the seriousness of what she was pleading guilty to but that doesn't detract away from the insanity of the sentence compared to Jones. A court should prioritise common sense over pleas. There were people saying she got off lightly - she literally got a longer sentence than some child molesters and people like Hugh Edwards found with child porn. That's right as well is it because the law said so -as I said disgusting

I know you think tweets should receive life in prison and Jones should be knighted for death threats.

Erm, no, not at all, but you obviously like making up stories. Honestly, if you can't argue your case without just fabricating nonsense, you might as well not waste your energy. It just makes you look a bit incapable.

I do agree that LC is probably is probably lacking in intelligence - most racists are - but she confirmed in court that she understood the implications of her guilty plea.

All the whataboutery doesn't actually change the fact that she committed a crime and she was given an appropriate sentence for it. If others are not getting an appropriate sentence for different crimes, then by all means, campaign to change the sentencing guidelines for those crimes...I think most people would agree that child molesters should get longer, but that's a separate issue.

TinyIsMyNewt · 18/08/2025 21:47

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:38

I believe in common sense and when I see women saying another woman should be jailed for 2 and a half years when there aren't enough prisons to take convicted paedophiles like Hugh Edwards ( and others) along with all sorts of other scum yeah it disgusts me. Maybe I'm old fashioned and think child abuse is worse than a tweet. It's the "law" though so we shouldn't question it apparently.

How do you feel about people sharing CSAM online, vs in-person?

Or emailing a death threat, vs sending my mail?

I think you're making too much of the "it's only the internet" angle, particularly given how quickly and widely social media posts can be shared.

I do agree that some crimes, including ones you mention, have sentences that are too light compared to others. It is not morally justifiable but more a reflection on our failure to build sufficient prisons.

pointythings · 18/08/2025 21:48

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:43

No it isn't people are using the law to defend the sentence. Do we just ignore the law for other horrific cases like Edwards?

BBC explainer of the sentencing guidelines in the Huw Edwards case: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn033p4d82xo

It was within the sentencing guidelines. One can disagree with the sentence (I absolutely think both those involved should have been handed a longer sentence involving actual jail time), but again: this is the law.

If you want the law changed, start a petition.

While you're here, what changes would you like to see, and how do you envisage them being implemented in practical terms?

Sketch of Huw Edwards at Westminster Magistrates' Court sentencing hearing on 16 Septmebr 2024 by Julia Quenzler

Four key takeaways from Huw Edwards' sentencing

Former BBC News presenter Huw Edwards has been given a suspended prison term for making indecent images of children. Here are four things we learned from his court appearance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn033p4d82xo

pointythings · 18/08/2025 21:49

She may be a scumbag, but you have actually said the crime Jones has committed is LESS serious.

Because according to the law as it stands, it is.

Don't like the law? Start a petition for change. And do please answer the question I asked in my pp.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/08/2025 21:49

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:33

You have to wonder why some people are so invested attacking a racist tweet compared to paedophiles like Hugh Edwards who avoid prison.

Irrelevant. You're clutching at straws now.

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:50

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/08/2025 21:47

I know you think tweets should receive life in prison and Jones should be knighted for death threats.

Erm, no, not at all, but you obviously like making up stories. Honestly, if you can't argue your case without just fabricating nonsense, you might as well not waste your energy. It just makes you look a bit incapable.

I do agree that LC is probably is probably lacking in intelligence - most racists are - but she confirmed in court that she understood the implications of her guilty plea.

All the whataboutery doesn't actually change the fact that she committed a crime and she was given an appropriate sentence for it. If others are not getting an appropriate sentence for different crimes, then by all means, campaign to change the sentencing guidelines for those crimes...I think most people would agree that child molesters should get longer, but that's a separate issue.

Virtually every post I've seen from you is strawman so what's good for the goose. In your world 2 and a half years prison for a tweet is appropriate - you're in a minority.

pointythings · 18/08/2025 21:51

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:50

Virtually every post I've seen from you is strawman so what's good for the goose. In your world 2 and a half years prison for a tweet is appropriate - you're in a minority.

Once again - it wasn't for a single tweet. Please be truthful.

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:51

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/08/2025 21:49

Irrelevant. You're clutching at straws now.

It isn't irrelevant, I criticise the law and say it needs shaking up and you defend it. The entire justice system is outdated nonsense and needs bringing into the 21st century so no, child molesters walking the streets when people are in jail for years for tweets isn't " irrelevant". It's vile

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 21:52

pointythings · 18/08/2025 21:51

Once again - it wasn't for a single tweet. Please be truthful.

I've asked before, can you show us what the other tweets were and be truthful

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