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Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

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rubicustellitall · 15/08/2025 15:00

Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

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pointythings · 18/08/2025 13:11

MyBreezyGreyBiscuit · 18/08/2025 12:38

She was sentenced on one tweet which was read out and basis for her guilty plea to a charge under section 19(1) of the Public Order Act 1986 for publishing threatening or abusive material with intent to stir up racial hatred. She isn't the only 1 either in jail as a political prisoner, but going out and telling a crowd to slit the throats of people if you are a Labour councillor male is fine apparently.

She was not sentenced on the basis of that one tweet. The relevant CPS communique is on this thread; I suggest you go and read it. She was given the sentence she got based on a string of racist posts going back a couple of months. She had form. Stop it with the lies.

pointythings · 18/08/2025 13:15

Alexandra2001 · 18/08/2025 13:04

Reform of the justice system is a totally different argument.... & nothing to do with RJ or LC.

But if you don't like the jury system, what would you replace it with?

People are released early due to years of under funding and over use of the prison system....

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I asked that question too. Funnily enough the people raging about the justice system never come up with any positive suggestions as to how it might be improved.

LoyalGoldQuail · 18/08/2025 13:17

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SerendipityJane · 18/08/2025 13:20

MyBreezyGreyBiscuit · 18/08/2025 12:02

How can Ricky Jones be found not guilty when he literally screams " Slit their throats" compared to a tweet of someone not caring. Do you accept his mitigation that he was a troubled soul and it was all down to him being forced to run around in his underpants 40 years earlier which is what his defence claims. How does that outweigh losing a child due to NHS neglect in mitigation.

Police are more concerned with social media than real life crimes as it's low hanging fruit to tackle middle aged housewives than go out and tackles rapes, muggings and murders with an actual presence on the street. The idea that words on any social media site equal leaving your house and actually committing a crime in real life are only accepted as the norm because of lazy policing. Various religious texts have words in them inciting murder but strangely they're ignored despite crimes carried out in their name - funny that. If i argue with someone saying " drop dead for all I care" and that person tops themselves, am I likely to be charged with murder because someone mentally unstable has acted upon it?

Why don't you ask the jury ? They decided. 12 British citizens good and true.

I am getting a little fucking fed up of being repeatedly asked questions by people who know damn well what the answer is to their asinine mouthings is.

No one on this thread can ever know what any of the 12 jurors were thinking when - after hearing and seeing the facts of the case and then having the law explained to them by a grown up - they made their decision.

It's beyond childish to keep dribbling the same question to the wrong people and somehow expect a cogent answer.

Alexandra2001 · 18/08/2025 13:22

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Have ever followed the cars sat nav into a River??

Read the sentencing remarks....
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/R-v-Lucy-Connolly.pdf

and...
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King.pdf

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/R-v-Lucy-Connolly.pdf

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BIossomtoes · 18/08/2025 13:26

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I prefer to believe actual facts

Clearly you don’t prefer that at all or you’d know that typing a loaded question into AI will give you a simplistic, unnuanced and, in this case, inaccurate answer.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/08/2025 13:26

MyBreezyGreyBiscuit · 18/08/2025 12:27

Sure thing. Even the majority on the thread voting think you're talking rubbish. That's not incitement but a tweet of someone not caring is incitement and deserves jail? You're defending the indefensible. You can make a case for neither being jailed or a very weak case of both being jailed but that guy not jailed and the tweeter jailed is like something from a monty python court of justice not 2025 criminal justice. The ridiculously elongated process of old men in wigs with "legal counsel" should be replaced by a justice system in the 21st century using common sense fit for purpose.

It's not me who's talking rubbish. I'm not grossly misinformed, making stuff up to suit my narrative and calling for the judicial system to be scrapped like a toddler.

Connolly pleaded guilty to intent to incite racial hatred and received the sentence in line with the crime. Defending the indefensible is minimising her crime which was found to endanger life.

In between the mostly incomprehensible ranting, a part of you knows that's correct.

Alexandra2001 · 18/08/2025 13:27

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Clearly won the argument there.....

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2025 13:28

Alexandra2001 · 18/08/2025 13:27

Clearly won the argument there.....

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/08/2025 13:33

Edited to say that this was supposed to be posted in response to @MyBreezyGreyBiscuit in response to their 12.47pm post but I forgot to quote. Apologies - I have cut and pasted the text below.

It isn't an "alleged crime" is it. Jones was caught on video which is now on the thread and Connolly had her screen shots taken. How can a tweet of apathy on social media be equal to someone shouting cut their throats to a crowd regarding incitement?

A court system has jailed a woman for over 2 years for a tweet and sent a man home screaming "cut their throats" so yes it does need to be overhauled into the 21st century along with other outdated institutions like the house of Lords/ monarchy and stop these medieval traditions

All crimes are "alleged" until a court finds the defendant guilty.

In the case of Ricky Jones, you think it was a crime. For what it's worth, on the basis of what I've seen, I think it probably was too. However, rightly or wrongly, the court in this case did not agree. I don't actually know why the jury reached the verdict that they did after considering all of the evidence, but it doesn't matter, because it was their duty to decide and not mine. And not yours either.

We can't have a justice system that is based on what random people on the Internet might think, it is for the courts to decide. And whether you have juries or judges to determine guilt, or some other system, courts will always produce some verdicts that some members of the public disagree with. Either because the court has made a perverse decision or because the public don't necessarily have access to all of the relevant facts.

If you can't get your head around this, then I'm not sure that there is much point in debating the topic further. There is no perfect system which everyone will find perfectly fair all of the time, and there never will be. That doesn't mean that we have "two tier justice". It simply means that different people have different perceptions and interpretations of the same evidence. Courts are fallible. Judges are fallible. Juries are fallible. The general public are fallible. Sometimes, decisions are controversial. Sometimes, mistakes are made.

You seem to think that the only valid ustice system would be one which always reflects your own personal take on whether or not a crime has been committed and sentences which always reflect your own personal perception of how serious - or not - any particular crime might be. I'm sorry, but it isn't ever going to work that way.

BeHonestDeer · 18/08/2025 13:45

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/08/2025 13:48

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 12:29

Look, even if he whispered about cutting throats to three people it wouldn’t be good.

I take on board all the legal points, but there are some posters who are across several threads robustly defending or at least hugely minimising an elected person out in public talking about and miming throat slitting.

No there aren't people robustly defending what Jones did. There are people robustly defending and minimising Connolly though.

I haven't seen one single post minimising throat slitting gestures. People are robustly pointing out the differences between the two cases.

SerendipityJane · 18/08/2025 14:02

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 12:29

Look, even if he whispered about cutting throats to three people it wouldn’t be good.

I take on board all the legal points, but there are some posters who are across several threads robustly defending or at least hugely minimising an elected person out in public talking about and miming throat slitting.

Care to cite a post - any post - defending his actions ? I certainly haven't. And neither has anyone else I have read.

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 14:14

I’ll have a look back because there definitely are.

pointythings · 18/08/2025 14:15

What is being defended on this thread is the legal system and how it works.

But we seem to have an influx of people who just want to scream about two tiers and live in a fact free zone.

SerendipityJane · 18/08/2025 14:32

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 14:14

I’ll have a look back because there definitely are.

Let us know when you do.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/08/2025 14:50

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 14:14

I’ll have a look back because there definitely are.

Have you found any yet?

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 14:53

I have, but will not mention names.

PandoraSocks · 18/08/2025 15:02

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 14:53

I have, but will not mention names.

Why bother looking back then?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/08/2025 15:03

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 14:53

I have, but will not mention names.

Could you quote them please?

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 15:04

I would just read some of your own posts, particularly on The Other Thread.

MaturingCheeseball · 18/08/2025 15:07

Not you, but I just read one which was “I’m glad he got off” - so this poster not exactly dismayed by throat-cutting threats.

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