Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

[rubicustellitall]

Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

So can you explain why you think Jones was found not guilty because he was a Labour councillor?

He didn't scream anything? Sure lol - wake up. His screaming rant is 50 seconds in

That's not 'screaming'. There's no 'baying' crowd.

Sure thing. Even the majority on the thread voting think you're talking rubbish. That's not incitement but a tweet of someone not caring is incitement and deserves jail? You're defending the indefensible. You can make a case for neither being jailed or a very weak case of both being jailed but that guy not jailed and the tweeter jailed is like something from a monty python court of justice not 2025 criminal justice. The ridiculously elongated process of old men in wigs with "legal counsel" should be replaced by a justice system in the 21st century using common sense fit for purpose.

Look, even if he whispered about cutting throats to three people it wouldn’t be good.

I take on board all the legal points, but there are some posters who are across several threads robustly defending or at least hugely minimising an elected person out in public talking about and miming throat slitting.

It wasn't 'old men in wigs' that found Jones not guilty though, was it? It was a jury of normal people, not an imagined establishment plot.

This thread has been going on for what feels like 100 years, with many people (wilfully) misunderstanding how the law works.

You don't have to like the outcome of these two cases, but it isn't two tier. It's the mechanics of how the law works in the UK. How would you like to see it changed? Would those changes guarantee you always getting the outcome you want?

BTW Lucy Connolly wasn't sentenced because of 'just one tweet'. But I reckon you know that.

That's true, but the whole process is flawed which is my point. Which offence was more serious in Connolly vs Jones? That's what matters - the rest should be irrelevant in a justice system which needs to be blind to gender, race, intellect and choice of legal advice. The crime matters not who is pleading what when the evidence is clearly out in the open on both cases

This thread has been going on for what feels like 100 years, with many people (wilfully) misunderstanding how the law works.

You don't have to like the outcome of these two cases, but it isn't two tier. It's the mechanics of how the law works in the UK. How would you like to see it changed? Would those changes guarantee you always getting the outcome you want?

BTW Lucy Connolly wasn't sentenced because of 'just one tweet'. But I reckon you know that.

She was sentenced on one tweet which was read out and basis for her guilty plea to a charge under section 19(1) of the Public Order Act 1986 for publishing threatening or abusive material with intent to stir up racial hatred. She isn't the only 1 either in jail as a political prisoner, but going out and telling a crowd to slit the throats of people if you are a Labour councillor male is fine apparently.

Maybe not quite 100 years @pointythings ...

You really don't get it, do you?!

I don't actually agree with you that Connolly's offence was "less serious" than Jones', I think they were both utterly reprehensible. But regardless, you can't say that it's only the "crime" that matters and that the pleas entered/trial verdicts are irrelevant! They're absolutely relevant!!

If you plead guilty, you will automatically be found guilty. That's how the system works, and LC presumably entered a guilty plea with full knowledge of that.

If you plead not guilty, then it goes to trial and the verdict could go either way. On this occasion, a jury of ordinary people found Jones not guilty. Inexplicably from my perspective, but I have not scrutinised the evidence to the extent that they did, so perhaps they had their reasons or perhaps they simply made a perverse decision.

If we went with your logic - that it is the alleged crime that matters and not the plea or the trial - then we might as well do away with the courts and the justice system altogether. Everyone would automatically be found guilty of whatever they may be accused of. Is that really where you want our justice system headed?

She isn't the only 1 either in jail as a political prisoner

Political prisoners my backside.

but going out and telling a crowd to slit the throats of people if you are a Labour councillor male is fine apparently

If it was "fine", Jones would not have been charged and prosecuted.

The script really is tediously stupid.

It isn't an "alleged crime" is it. Jones was caught on video which is now on the thread and Connolly had her screen shots taken. How can a tweet of apathy on social media be equal to someone shouting cut their throats to a crowd regarding incitement?

A court system has jailed a woman for over 2 years for a tweet and sent a man home screaming "cut their throats" so yes it does need to be overhauled into the 21st century along with other outdated institutions like the house of Lords/ monarchy and stop these medieval traditions

and he is now in the pub whilst a tweeter is in prison after over a year

This is a good explanation.

A crime is a crime if our justice system thinks it is. Not if social media, or its users, do.

One person said themselves they were guilty of a crime. They are then not going to be told they are not. Another said they weren't, their case was hear and the jury decided they weren't. That's how it works.

A justice system which often lets murderers, rapists and paedophiles out of prison after a few years isn't something to worship @adlitem

Because the jury decided he was not guilty of the crime he was charged with.

PP said he was let off for being a Labour councillor... other than jury rigging, how could that happen???

I’ll probably regret asking this but what would you do with them after they’ve served their sentences?

Political Prisoner..... heard it all now!!

Maybe in 100 years they'll erect a statue? 😂

Ah, getting personal now.

Reform of the justice system is a totally different argument.... & nothing to do with RJ or LC.

But if you don't like the jury system, what would you replace it with?

People are released early due to years of under funding and over use of the prison system....

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I don't worship it. But something isn't a crime because you call it one. This is why we have a justice system. Or would you prefer the pitch fork approach?