Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

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Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

@PandoraSocks I can’t find it on sky news anymore.

https://x.com/cilcomlfc/status/1820499278370058539?s=46&t=ALGAiHxwK3XXeRoDQylnWA

Here is another video of it.
Scroll down to the second a third tweets, and you can clearly see the sword

It seems likely that she did, given that she decided to plead guilty in order to have it reduced. Anyway her sentence was reduced, she could have been jailed for 42 months. Having a child has never prevented women being sent to prison.

Of course you should be arrested if you're walking around with a sword. I actually said as much in my post. Nobody should be walking around carrying swords (unless they're a competitive fencer and the swords are properly contained in a kit bag - I have done this many times). However, when the situation is one where the police is at full stretch dealing with actual ongoing violence, people who are 'merely' walking around carrying weapons is deeply counterintuitive. On any other day - obviously they would have been arrested. On that particular day the choice was
Option 1: Deal with the people who were actually fighting
Option 2: Ignore the fighting and arrest the men with weapons, although they aren't actually using them or committing any violent acts at the time.

The police has finite resources. In an ideal world they would have had the manpower available to deal with both. We don't live in an ideal world.

You haven't addressed my question about why the first post assumes the men are immigrants - did they verify this at all?

One from the BBC (again, can’t find it anymore directly from them)

https://x.com/daveatherton20/status/1820157244211613936?s=46&t=ALGAiHxwK3XXeRoDQylnWA

Describing many Muslim men charging a police line. Throwing eggs at them.

Many, many examples.

People are not blind to the unequal policing.

They just want everyone punished equally.

Not sure if he was an immigrant or not.

The point of me posting that was to show the guy in the background holding the massive. fucking. sword.

A suspended sentence, some community service and the embarrassment of being named and shamed should have been sufficient ( and presumably was within the judge’s remit)

The judge had no choice but to impose a custodial sentence. Connolly knew she would be doing time if she pleaded guilty and that three years imprisonment was the starting point. She signed a document saying she understood that.

The judge gave her a sentence in keeping with the sentence guidelines for the crime she pleaded guilty to. She pleaded guilty to intent to stir up racial hatred with high culpability. Sentencing for that crime starts at 3 years.

I wonder if she knew that pleading guilty would result in a custodial sentence.

She was advised by a solicitor, the advice is on record, she signed her acknowledgement of the advice and the appeal court judges said that she willingly pleaded guilty.

I’m sure if a bloke with a Union Jack wrapped round him was walking around carrying a sword, they would have found the resources.

It doesn’t matter how many examples I post, you will find an excuse.

Makes a mockery of Starmer’s words. ‘Anyone, but anyone’ my backside

I think the max is 7 years, she got off lightly.

I posted up thread of Muslim men fighting, during the riots, who got 2 years inside.

Not all rioters were arrested either.

You seem determined to believe there is some conspiracy going on.... there really isn't.

But if there are 400 people trying to burn down a hotel, the Police have to prioritise, fairly basic stuff.

You see I think she was reckless as to whether her tweet stirred up racial hatred and I think it should have been a Cat 2 not a Cat 1

She would then have received community service.

As these are from a variety of cities, what 400 men in particular are you talking about?
Citations and that.

What a state of affairs. The die hard Labour supporters advocating for a mother to be jailed for a nasty tweet. On MN of all places. You should be ashamed.

During the 2011 riots, the thugs were looting shops where I lived. They did the local supermarkets, Argos etc.

The thugs didn't bother with the local independent restaurants and shops. Because the owners stood outside them, armed with baseball bats and more. Were they rioting? Should they have been arrested? (Spoiler alert: they weren't).

Funny how no-one was shouting about two-tier justice then, innit?

I did write a response, but decided against rising to the bait.

But the truth and data already exist and people disregard whatever conflates with their personal
feelings. Times on here I have posted links to data contradicting what somebody believes to be true and it’s dismissed because it doesn’t align with what they feel.

People are far less reasonable than you think they are

Your source link describes him as an immigrant. That assumption alone leads me to treat that particular source as suspicious.

I would hope that anyone charging the police would be arrested. Are we certain that these people were not? Or is it the case that they were, but the media didn't splash it all over their front pages?

While there was active violent rioting going on elsewhere? If you think that, then you've bought into the Cult of the Two Tier. Police have to triage, just like anyone else.

On a calm day in the city - absolutely these people would have been arrested. However, walking around with a sword without doing anything with said sword isn't quite the same thing as actually physically attacking police officers and setting fire to immigrant hotels. They're different crimes and you can't compare them.

I said men were holding weapons.

Then posted that as a clouded.

You seem to be more bothered about getting someone’s immigration status wrong than the fact there is a man holding a sword.

You’re missing the point (intentionally I’m assuming).

If they were arrested, I’m assuming there will be records of it. Happy for you to cite them.

Hows the shoulder ?

@PandoraSocks I just rolled my eyes. One person's loving mother is another person's vile racist with longer term form for online racism.

There’s a video of men literally surrounding smashing up cars.
Smashing up a pub.
What would you class that as, if not actively rioting?

Or are you saying one active riot is more of a concern than the other?
Be very interested in your reasoning to justify that.

But that isn't the point. The point is that you picked a source with clear bias, as evidenced by their unsubstantiated assumption of the men's immigration status. That makes the source look a bit - well, racist. I mean, brown = immigrant? Really?

And we don't know that they weren't arrested. They may have been for all we know. I would be fine with that.

Nevertheless, if they were arrested, they would have had a lesser sentence than the actual rioters, on account of them not, you know, rioting (at least in that video).

I then provided another link to the same video.

From a different source.

Were they the same men?

If they were then yes, obvioiusly they should have been arrested and treated in the same way as all the other rioters. I know a number of Muslim men were arrested and sentenced for rioting at the same time as the other riots. What I don't know is that they were these exact same men.

This is why it's important to look at court transcripts and CPS information, not just videos on X.