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Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

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rubicustellitall · 15/08/2025 15:00

Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

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SerendipityJane · 17/08/2025 15:10

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/08/2025 15:00

If 'two tier justice' doesn't exist, how are the government meant to tackle it?

Well witches don't exist. But we burned them anyway.

Alexandra2001 · 17/08/2025 15:14

AzurePanda · 17/08/2025 12:47

Surely the whole point of the difference between the two cases is that LC was refused bail. It was the refusal of bail which led to the very bad decision to plead guilty as she was so desperate to do whatever it took to minimise her time in prison. I’ve yet to read any convincing answer as to why bail was refused.

Because she was charged with the most serious level of incitement.

@Clavinova Apologies, i was wrong it wasn't dozens after all...... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks

So it is rather irrelevant, she was posting several month pre Stockport, after and during the rioting.

Sentencing remarks:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/R-v-Lucy-Connolly.pdf

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/08/2025 15:21

SerendipityJane · 17/08/2025 15:10

Well witches don't exist. But we burned them anyway.

It's all about pandering to conspiracy theorists with an agenda.

EmpressoftheMundane · 17/08/2025 15:35

JHound · 17/08/2025 15:06

How do you tackle something when it’s a case of people placing their feelings above data?

You walk people through the truth. You give a straight forward factual narrative that makes sense. You rebut misconceptions. If you can’t do that, there is a problem. The problem will either be that there is a real issue in the facts, or there is a lack of capacity to lead and communicate in the government of the day.

Labour are not hapless victims here. They wanted to lead the country. This is the task.

PandoraSocks · 17/08/2025 15:39

EmpressoftheMundane · 17/08/2025 15:35

You walk people through the truth. You give a straight forward factual narrative that makes sense. You rebut misconceptions. If you can’t do that, there is a problem. The problem will either be that there is a real issue in the facts, or there is a lack of capacity to lead and communicate in the government of the day.

Labour are not hapless victims here. They wanted to lead the country. This is the task.

I don't think it will make a difference. The people shouting about two-tier justice will never change their minds.

Look at the posters on this thread going on and on about it. None of them are stupid. But they will not accept the facts that have been presented to them, over and over. Because it suits their agenda not to.

SerendipityJane · 17/08/2025 15:44

Posted on another thread

A barrister speaks - sorry for all the facts, I hope it doesn't offend anyone

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/08/2025 15:59

PandoraSocks · 17/08/2025 15:39

I don't think it will make a difference. The people shouting about two-tier justice will never change their minds.

Look at the posters on this thread going on and on about it. None of them are stupid. But they will not accept the facts that have been presented to them, over and over. Because it suits their agenda not to.

When you believe a conspiracy, anyone arguing against the conspiracy becomes part of it. Starmer laying out the facts of the case, won't be believed and addressing it gives it credence.

GoldThumb · 17/08/2025 16:15

It’s not just Lucy Connolly though.

There were groups of Muslim men, carrying a various array of weapons, caught on the news.
And tumbleweed

I don’t recall their mugshots, names and street addresses being published.

I’m sure posters on here will have a valid reason why they were not though.

Anyone but anyone should mean that.
I’m not advocating for anyone to not be held to account.

I just expect the harsh justice to be applied equally.

ISHMAELL · 17/08/2025 16:20

https://thecritic.co.uk/two-tier-britain-laid-bare/

This article takes a position, but seems informed about the differences between the two cases.

pointythings · 17/08/2025 16:26

That article is informed on the surface, but referring to Lucy Connolly as 'the beloved mother' suggests a strong bias. The article also neglects to mention that Lucy Connolly's sentence would have been based on the fact that she was tweeting racist posts in the months running up to the Southport riots, and that therefore she had form for the kind of behaviour she was being sentenced for.

The article then ties itself into knots about how it's perfectly OK to have racist views - and up to a point, it is. But when you put that behaviour into the context of the atmosphere around the riots, it's not a reach to assume that Connolly knew exactly what she was doing.

So no.

SerendipityJane · 17/08/2025 16:30

GoldThumb · 17/08/2025 16:15

It’s not just Lucy Connolly though.

There were groups of Muslim men, carrying a various array of weapons, caught on the news.
And tumbleweed

I don’t recall their mugshots, names and street addresses being published.

I’m sure posters on here will have a valid reason why they were not though.

Anyone but anyone should mean that.
I’m not advocating for anyone to not be held to account.

I just expect the harsh justice to be applied equally.

I think your cites were removed by MNHQ ?

Alexandra2001 · 17/08/2025 16:33

GoldThumb · 17/08/2025 16:15

It’s not just Lucy Connolly though.

There were groups of Muslim men, carrying a various array of weapons, caught on the news.
And tumbleweed

I don’t recall their mugshots, names and street addresses being published.

I’m sure posters on here will have a valid reason why they were not though.

Anyone but anyone should mean that.
I’m not advocating for anyone to not be held to account.

I just expect the harsh justice to be applied equally.

The white british man who re tweeted Connolly's post and got 38months, had no publicity either... LC being a tory councillors wife, gave her a certain amount of media interest.

Even in August at the star of the riots 2 muslim men jailed for around 2 years for fighting with EDL supporters.

PandoraSocks · 17/08/2025 16:48

pointythings · 17/08/2025 16:26

That article is informed on the surface, but referring to Lucy Connolly as 'the beloved mother' suggests a strong bias. The article also neglects to mention that Lucy Connolly's sentence would have been based on the fact that she was tweeting racist posts in the months running up to the Southport riots, and that therefore she had form for the kind of behaviour she was being sentenced for.

The article then ties itself into knots about how it's perfectly OK to have racist views - and up to a point, it is. But when you put that behaviour into the context of the atmosphere around the riots, it's not a reach to assume that Connolly knew exactly what she was doing.

So no.

Yes. She also tweeted more racism a few days after the burning hotels tweet. Sensitive imaged for the vile racism.

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Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?
ISHMAELL · 17/08/2025 16:51

pointythings · 17/08/2025 16:26

That article is informed on the surface, but referring to Lucy Connolly as 'the beloved mother' suggests a strong bias. The article also neglects to mention that Lucy Connolly's sentence would have been based on the fact that she was tweeting racist posts in the months running up to the Southport riots, and that therefore she had form for the kind of behaviour she was being sentenced for.

The article then ties itself into knots about how it's perfectly OK to have racist views - and up to a point, it is. But when you put that behaviour into the context of the atmosphere around the riots, it's not a reach to assume that Connolly knew exactly what she was doing.

So no.

They may have both known exactly what they were doing, but his point is the different way the broad establishment react to anti-Diversity vs anti-white.

Beyond the finer points of these two cases, I believe this is where two-tier perceptions arise.

But thank you for addressing the writer's argument, rather than just saying "Right -wing rag, dismissed"

pointythings · 17/08/2025 16:53

Item 1 - did the poster check the men's status or did they just assume they were immigrants?

Item 2 - When you have a choice between dealing with an active riot in which there is fighting and emergency service workers being attacked, and dealing with a group of men walking by holding weapons - which one has priority?

Item 3 - While it is undoubtedly an offence to walk around carrying swords, the men in question were not at that time doing anything with said swords. The same cannot be said of the actual rioters.

I hope you have better examples which are properly equivalent, i.e. groups of Muslim men attacking the police, or a church, or similar.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/08/2025 16:54

ISHMAELL · 17/08/2025 16:20

https://thecritic.co.uk/two-tier-britain-laid-bare/

This article takes a position, but seems informed about the differences between the two cases.

The article is gibberish. It* states:*

The British state is perpetrating systematic injustice

And the only evidence of systematic injustice is two cases that aren't really comparable. It also accuses Jones of being racially motivated and says the only evidence Connolly is is because she says 'bastards.' She pleaded guilty to inciting racial hatred and had a history of racist Tweets.

Despite standing a strong chance of going free at trial, she was thus pressured into pleading guilty. She did so in the knowledge she would get a shorter sentence, expecting to be out by Christmas.

This is pure fiction. Connolly wasn't pressured into doing anything and what her solicitor advised is on record. She chose to plead guilty to the charge, signed her acknowledgement of her consent and the appeal judges confirmed that she had willingly pleaded guilty.

In short, Connolly had the book thrown at her because the British state doesn’t like her views.

Fiction. Connolly pleaded guilty and received a sentence within the guidelines for that crime.

Jones, meanwhile, faced little censure for his apparent animosity to anti-immigration protestors — who were understandably angry at the murder of three little girls

Jones didn't express a view about the racist rioters.

Denounced as “far-Right” by the prime minister and the whole political establishment, they were denied fair treatment and made an example of for nakedly political reasons.

Fiction. The author needs to give actual evidence and not tenuous opinions.

The blame for her two-tier treatment lies with the actions of the whole British state: the police, the CPS, her solicitor, the judges — both at her sentencing and her appeal — the prison authorities. And most importantly, the authoritarian human rights lawyer double act of Lord Hermer and Sir Keir Starmer.

That's a pretty big claim from someone with absolutely no evidence and little grasp of the facts. Someone who minimises racism and sees it as a political opinion.

GoldThumb · 17/08/2025 16:54

PandoraSocks · 17/08/2025 16:53

Radio genoa? Yes, a real bastion of truth.

Of course you attack the source. 🙄
It’s a clip from sky news.

No comment on the actual content of the videos then?

Thought not 🙄

pointythings · 17/08/2025 16:56

ISHMAELL · 17/08/2025 16:51

They may have both known exactly what they were doing, but his point is the different way the broad establishment react to anti-Diversity vs anti-white.

Beyond the finer points of these two cases, I believe this is where two-tier perceptions arise.

But thank you for addressing the writer's argument, rather than just saying "Right -wing rag, dismissed"

I think that given the way biases actually run in the UK (and it is NOT in favour of people who are not white, there's data on that), that the establishment's reaction is understandable. We have laws around racism for very good reasons.

The anti-diversity movement on the other hand is just racism in a nice outfit. I would not agree that Ricky Jones' rant was anti white - if you look at the full clip, it's very clear that it's anti white supremacists who put razor blades under stickers which they put in public places. I don't actually have a problem with being anti that sort of thing.

SerendipityJane · 17/08/2025 16:58

JRM speaks (now how come I get news from home in my feed ? It's almost as if I choose not to live in an echo chamber)

Notice the Magna Carta in the background.

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PandoraSocks · 17/08/2025 16:58

GoldThumb · 17/08/2025 16:54

Of course you attack the source. 🙄
It’s a clip from sky news.

No comment on the actual content of the videos then?

Thought not 🙄

I don't want to give RG the clicks, thanks, or any other dodgy twitter account. If the clip is from Sky News why not post that?

GoldThumb · 17/08/2025 17:00

pointythings · 17/08/2025 16:53

Item 1 - did the poster check the men's status or did they just assume they were immigrants?

Item 2 - When you have a choice between dealing with an active riot in which there is fighting and emergency service workers being attacked, and dealing with a group of men walking by holding weapons - which one has priority?

Item 3 - While it is undoubtedly an offence to walk around carrying swords, the men in question were not at that time doing anything with said swords. The same cannot be said of the actual rioters.

I hope you have better examples which are properly equivalent, i.e. groups of Muslim men attacking the police, or a church, or similar.

  1. The man in the background is holding a fucking sword.
  2. They are on camera. Were they subsequently arrested and remanded? As Starmer promised? If so, can you provide a link?
  3. Bullshit. A Union Jack wielding bloke carrying a fucking sword would have been (rightfully) arrested. The fact you’re trying to justify people carry swords, especially during that time, is honestly pathetic
Rainydayinlondon · 17/08/2025 17:06

PandoraSocks · 17/08/2025 16:48

Yes. She also tweeted more racism a few days after the burning hotels tweet. Sensitive imaged for the vile racism.

I mean yes it’s vile, but 31 months in PRISON seems excessive for nasty sentiments and I just feel there’s a certain malice about it.

I don’t think, if I were a judge, and knowing someone had a child, I would impose a custodial sentence unless the defendant was a danger to society. It’s punishing her daughter too.

A suspended sentence, some community service and the embarrassment of being named and shamed should have been sufficient ( and presumably was within the judge’s remit)

I feel at the time, the establishment wanted to make an example of her.

I wonder if she knew that pleading guilty would result in a custodial sentence.

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