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MIL is too much

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OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 10:06

I find my MIL quite overbearing, and where I want to see her expectations and enthusiasm to spend time with us as misguided love, the way she behaves does not make it easy, and instead I feel frustrated at her childishness or entitlement. Looking for some advice here on how to handle things in the moment so that I don’t come across as rude…

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There have been countless occasions in my 8 years as a parent, where she has gone ahead and done what SHE has wanted despite knowing that it spoilt our own plans as parents... for example when she bought our daughter a Fisher Price rocking horse for her first Christmas as it was on a good deal, despite knowing and having SEEN that we had already bought one for our daughter’s first birthday (that was after Christmas, so her gift would get given first).

She can also be incredibly rude at times – for example at a recent family party that my parents put on for our 40ths, we did birthday cake/candles etc and when everyone was watching she repeatedly shouted across to me “why are you pulling that silly face? You look like a hamster”

To my knowledge I wasn’t pulling a strange face at all, but she seemed to relish the opportunity to try and humiliate me when she had everyone’s attention.
Anyway, that’s not what this is about, but I want to give some context about why I feel how I do.

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A few months back, MIL announced that she wanted to do a cruise with us all (her 2 adult children, partners, grandkids). They would be paying – which is extremely generous – but I reminded my husband that as it is the year of our 40ths, we had our own plans that would need to be considered (in terms of dates and the amount of leave we could take from work). This was a fleeting conversation one Sunday lunchtime…. But 48hrs later we are told that the trip is booked. No further discussion.
Thankfully, dates etc worked out, so we just went with it. Given their generosity, it felt inappropriate to dig our heels in about not having any further conversations about it.
The cruise is fast approaching, and it’s evident that we will be expected to spend every waking minute together. Obviously we’re going as a family, so a decent amount of time together is expected, but when I talk to my husband about potential things we can enjoy on the ship, he reminds me that it may be awkward if his parents and sister’s family don’t want to do those things as “we are on a family trip”.

We will have a row of 3 rooms with MIL in the middle and she's already told my husband she'd like to open up the balconies so we have access to all rooms (WHY???)

My MIL has also started revealing outfits (only to my husband) that she has bought for my DD (nothing for my son, lol) so that she can match her other granddaughter when we dress up in the evening. She hasn’t given them to me to pack, but will pack them in her own suitcase and present them on the evening with the expectation they are put on. We have outfits already planned for the evenings, so I can see this being an awkward moment…

In situations like that, my MIL is likely to stick her bottom lip out and talk in a baby voice about how she’s brought it so the girls can match, and basically behave like a spoilt child so that everyone feels sorry for her, and I look like I’m just being difficult. Especially when my SIL will dutifully comply with whatever MIL wants.

I find those times quite difficult to manage – wanting to assert myself, but not create an atmosphere. But my tolerance can be very low, and I imagine will be even more so if we’re spending such an intense period of time together.

Help! AIBU to find this all too much??

OP posts:
godmum56 · 13/08/2025 19:40

OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 18:30

Not really. He just doesn't want to stick his head above the parapet and rock the boat by being different in anyway when we're all expected to be together.

he feels that it would be "weird" to be sat with other kids but not our own. And he thinks that our kids will want to stay with their cousins anyway.

I've asked that he reserves judgement and allows them to go if they express a wish to, or if we can get some time just the two of us.

I've told the kids that if they want to go, and are happy to do so without their cousins then that's ok with me, so he can navigate them feeling disappointed if he maintains his stance. Have told him I won't bite my tongue on that, and I'm not stopping them from enjoying what's on offer to them

sorry, that's not enough OP. If the children want to go to the club then you husband should not be stopping them.
I also think you haven't asked your husband the key question which of course is who would he prefer to upset, you or his mother? and tell him to think carefully before he answers!

OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 19:42

HisNibs · 13/08/2025 19:37

MIL sounds like an utter nightmare but as others have said, DH enables this far too easily. OP says in one post that she would fiercely advocate for her children yet in a later post says "he can navigate them feeling disappointed if he maintains his stance", this means that DH gets to overrule the OP's wishes despite him have no reasonable reason for his refusal to allow the children to go to a kids club. That's not advocating fiercely.
It would be a cold day in hell before DW or I would entertain this trip and would have put a stop to this at the time of booking. Neither of our parents get to make those decisions for us.

I will stand up for them to avoid them ever having to do anything against their wishes.

he is their parent too though, so if we come to loggerheads about the kids club I will make my feelings known and he can either support my stance, or be the bad guy. I don't know how else to manage that situation when we're on the ship without having a full blown argument 🤷🏻‍♀️ and to do that all over the kids club seems excessive.

OP posts:
HisNibs · 13/08/2025 19:49

OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 19:42

I will stand up for them to avoid them ever having to do anything against their wishes.

he is their parent too though, so if we come to loggerheads about the kids club I will make my feelings known and he can either support my stance, or be the bad guy. I don't know how else to manage that situation when we're on the ship without having a full blown argument 🤷🏻‍♀️ and to do that all over the kids club seems excessive.

Edited

So sort it now before you get on the boat. He doesn't get to overrule you. Why do other peoples feelings come before yours or DCs? Bollocks to that - as someone else said "who would he prefer to upset, you or his mother?"

JustMeAndTheFish · 13/08/2025 19:50

After having a disastrous (in our view) two week European holiday with my parents (me, DH, 4 yo twins and a 3 month old) we were a bit dubious when my parents wanted to take us on a cruise.
But with a bit of planning and boundary setting it was ok.
We agreed to have breakfast together and then on a port day we’d go ashore and parents would stay on board (they’d don’t the trips before). Then we’d meet in their balcony for drinks at 5.30 and have dinner together.
On the very few sea days we hung out and survived! 😆

Yachties · 13/08/2025 19:53

Don’t go then. She’s just trying to do a nice thing.

theonlygirl · 13/08/2025 20:01

You can't win here. My best advise is to "grey rock" it, and hit the bar. Just let her crack on and enjoy her nonesense through a savingon haze. She clearly likes to get on your nerves so ignoring her will drive her mental. Your kids are small, its a marathon not a sprint.

JJWT · 13/08/2025 20:37

You never know, if granny bought the outfits, they might not fit your dd. Oh dear, what a shame!

Gcsunnyside23 · 13/08/2025 20:41

OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 18:30

Not really. He just doesn't want to stick his head above the parapet and rock the boat by being different in anyway when we're all expected to be together.

he feels that it would be "weird" to be sat with other kids but not our own. And he thinks that our kids will want to stay with their cousins anyway.

I've asked that he reserves judgement and allows them to go if they express a wish to, or if we can get some time just the two of us.

I've told the kids that if they want to go, and are happy to do so without their cousins then that's ok with me, so he can navigate them feeling disappointed if he maintains his stance. Have told him I won't bite my tongue on that, and I'm not stopping them from enjoying what's on offer to them

Just back from a cruise, the kids clubs are amazing. They are next level compared to standard hotel ones. If they want to go I'd let them fire on as it's really not fair holding them back because their cousins are awkward. And why would it be awkward your kids wanted to take part in something else? If the cousins are put out they can go too

godmum56 · 13/08/2025 20:43

OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 19:42

I will stand up for them to avoid them ever having to do anything against their wishes.

he is their parent too though, so if we come to loggerheads about the kids club I will make my feelings known and he can either support my stance, or be the bad guy. I don't know how else to manage that situation when we're on the ship without having a full blown argument 🤷🏻‍♀️ and to do that all over the kids club seems excessive.

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its not over the kids club. its over what his mother will think or what his sister will think. As @HisNibs says, set boundaries before you go. If he had a good parental reason for not wanting the kids to go then that would be different. Why should your sister in law's kids get to choose whether or not to go and your kids have to not go because their cousins don't want to? Honestly grow a backbone before its too late.

OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 21:03

godmum56 · 13/08/2025 20:43

its not over the kids club. its over what his mother will think or what his sister will think. As @HisNibs says, set boundaries before you go. If he had a good parental reason for not wanting the kids to go then that would be different. Why should your sister in law's kids get to choose whether or not to go and your kids have to not go because their cousins don't want to? Honestly grow a backbone before its too late.

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the in-laws were just discussing the cruise in their group chat so I've just made my opinion clear about the kids club should the kids wish to go.

got a bit of pushback about how the others wouldn't want to go, but said that I won't say no to mine as it's their holiday to enjoy too.

i feel like that will make whatever happens on the ship less of a surprise to them, although got a feeling my two will back out if their cousins won't be joining them 🤷🏻‍♀️

OP posts:
BettyBooBoobs · 13/08/2025 21:04

I like watching videos from Jefferson Fischer on how to deal with difficult situations like this - his response “That’s weird” would work for a number of the situations that your MIL put you in. Another is “I’m surprised you said that out loud” in response to her hamster comment. I would definitely make a note of some of them and use them on her. It might drive her overboard if she doesn’t get the reaction she wants. I also reckon that as long as she is the centre of attention, she’s gratified, so anything that can take that away from her will knock the wind from her sails 😂

godmum56 · 13/08/2025 21:09

OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 21:03

the in-laws were just discussing the cruise in their group chat so I've just made my opinion clear about the kids club should the kids wish to go.

got a bit of pushback about how the others wouldn't want to go, but said that I won't say no to mine as it's their holiday to enjoy too.

i feel like that will make whatever happens on the ship less of a surprise to them, although got a feeling my two will back out if their cousins won't be joining them 🤷🏻‍♀️

good for you!

pestowithwalnuts · 13/08/2025 21:11

SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 13/08/2025 10:23

I agree with just going along with bit and enjoying the bar!

I would have to put my foot down regarding the balconies being open though. I think your own cabin should be your own quiet space and you will definitely need that. You and your DH are adults and she needs to remember that.

Agreed
She will have to ask the steward to open the connecting panels between balconies.
You can either tell him not to or get him to close them

Trekker77 · 13/08/2025 21:17

Oh a similar scenario happened to me where my inlaws purchased a cruise for all the family. We decided to purchase our own flights though so flew out separately and then extended the stay after getting off the ship. This meant we could have a little holiday after the cruise and I had something to look forward to. By the way the parents in law flew the same day of the cruise and the flight was delayed so they missed the first 2 days on the ship and had to catch up with the ship later on. Best 2 days of the holiday 😂. We would meet her parents at breakfast and then say we were off to a certain destination that we knew they wouldn't like to do so it gave us some freedom during the day (research each stop). Then when we got back to the ship we would message them just before dinner and meet at the restaurant. It gave us some freedom so we weren't in everyone's pockets. They would also take the kids to some of the family shows and we said we would meet them in the bar afterwards. Definitely get the kids into the club each day and say you are going to the gym at the same time. Try to think its only 7 days and you can get through it. Just enjoy the experience as there will be some lovely experiences like the destinations and the food.

pestowithwalnuts · 13/08/2025 21:21

Well I hope you will return after the cruise and tell us how it all went OP

Zanatdy · 13/08/2025 21:28

I’d be digging my heels in about the kids club. I also wouldn’t be just sitting with the others if kids occupied, use that time for a bit of couple time. I’d also dig my heels into sharing balconies. Each family needs a bit of privacy surely? Having MIL walk in when you’re resting / getting ready would not be fun. I don’t see why you’d all be joined at the hip all day and evening. Meet for meals and decide as a family what excursions you’re doing. Don’t be put off if they aren’t and it’s something you’d like to do.

Apocketfilledwithposies · 13/08/2025 21:38

If your kids WANT to go to kid's club and SIL's don't so what? Book them in! It's their holiday too. Who knows, after the first one their cousins might feel they are missing out and want to try it too. If not, just shrug. "Oh DS and DD are soo excited to try x,y,z at kid's club, it's great they're so adventurous and it gives us older ones a bit of R&R time!"

I'd be faking my own death before going on this nightmare cruise, so you're already braver than me.

Book active excursions, get them booked in quick before MIL starts to pout. If husband hesitates remind him he said of course you will be doing some stuff just the four of you.

Think about what you can let go and what you can't. Try to remind yourselves it's a free holiday for your kids and that after the cruise you can always take a break, go low contact, etc.

Toxic Parents is an excellent book if you havent already discovered it op.

Pessismistic · 13/08/2025 22:20

Hi op I really hope it’s not as bad as it sounds but if it is when you get back I would say to dh I won’t be seeing your family too much now it’s unbearable being with such clique people. He might be able to put up with his mum doesn’t mean you have too. I hope the kids get to experience the kids club and maybe you could make a joke about your not all joined by the hip. Just because you pay for something doesn’t mean you control the people you paid for.

PotatoLove · 14/08/2025 02:46

You're a better woman than me OP, hopefully it won't be as bad as you think(claws crossed).

Anotherbeeloudglade · 14/08/2025 02:56

You really really should NOT have given in to this cruise, I'd have just said absolutely not can't go, while you still could.

I would not go. I am with the other poster above. I'd find any excuse and just not go.

No, you will see them everywhere, and many cruise ships now have apps where you can constantly message one another and even keep a track of where everyone is in the party.

Anotherbeeloudglade · 14/08/2025 02:57

Booking excursions is a good idea, don't involve anybody in those discussions just do it for your kids, dh and you - don't ask him at all and wait until you're about to go before you tell him. Book in anything you think she will hate and not go for, book it in.

Anotherbeeloudglade · 14/08/2025 02:59

OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 10:27

He does sometimes. But I think we have differing views (or rather I have a lower tolerance and he's a bit oblivious)

he said he didn't hear her make that comment at the party... but other people heard it and made comments to me afterwards. Maybe I need to book him a hearing test.

Yes, this is a fair point too, he is being pathetic and not defending his wife. I would get marriage counselling booked for the two of you - I am absolutely serious. This is a huge issue and it's not going to go away.

Anotherbeeloudglade · 14/08/2025 03:01

OneBrightCrow · 13/08/2025 10:31

What's the FOG?

no it became more evident when we had kids and her expectations of family time ramped up. He wants to keep the peace.

he does put his foot down when he feels it's too much as well... but unfortunately we're not always in agreement on how much is too much.

Fear, Obligation and Guilt. That's not good enough. He needs to support YOU when YOU say it's too much. It doesn't matter if he thinks it's too much or not, it is too much for you, so that's all there is to it.

Anotherbeeloudglade · 14/08/2025 03:04

pestowithwalnuts · 13/08/2025 21:11

Agreed
She will have to ask the steward to open the connecting panels between balconies.
You can either tell him not to or get him to close them

And yes, for the love of God don't let her do this or you won't even be able to have a shower or sit around in your underwear on your own bed in peace without knowing if she's going to pop up like a gargoyle. FFS. I could not do this trip, I just couldn't, and I love cruises.

Anotherbeeloudglade · 14/08/2025 03:44

godmum56 · 13/08/2025 20:43

its not over the kids club. its over what his mother will think or what his sister will think. As @HisNibs says, set boundaries before you go. If he had a good parental reason for not wanting the kids to go then that would be different. Why should your sister in law's kids get to choose whether or not to go and your kids have to not go because their cousins don't want to? Honestly grow a backbone before its too late.

Edited

This. The more I read, the more I realise the OP has just rolled over on everything and is now reaping what she sowed.