Are the old meanings of the words woman and man redundant?

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Various dictionary definitions seem
to have made the words woman and man redundant.

In short.

woman = XX chromosomes, adult human female (including extremely rare cases of other chromosomal configurations but always without the SRY genes)

woman = XY chromosomes, adult human male (including extremely rare cases of other chromosomal configurations but always with the SRY gene) but believe and feels they are XX and all the associated characteristics of an adult human female.

man = XY chromosomes, adult human male (including extremely rare cases of other chromosomal configurations but always with the SRY gene)

man = XX chromosomes, adult human female (including extremely rare cases of other chromosomal configurations but always without the SRY genes) but believe and feel they are XY.

If this was a venn diagram I’m not sure it would work.

AIBU to think we just need new words for the old biological meanings of these categories to save confusion?

Loving your work and your username OP.

But.. the official term is assigned at birth.
There is no need to correct assigned at birth whatsoever.

It is the official term?

The NHS digital service manual states

We use the phrase "sex assigned at birth" when we're talking about trans health and gender dysphoria, as this is the language our audience uses

Nothing about it being an official term

And the poster I was replying to was correcting the term assigned at birth.
I do not disagree with you.
I was just baffled why they wanted to correct assigned by observed.

It is possible we need new words. But not to replace the traditional meanings of man/woman/boy/girl, as people understand these perfectly well in biological terms, whatever the dictionaries say. Even for people with DSDs, their sex is identifiable and real.

If society and dictionary-compilers feel the need for new words to describe the category of people who 'feel feminine' or 'feel masculine' or 'feel neither feminine or masculine' or whatever the correct way to describe what gender identity is about, then perhaps new words are needed for those categories.

Changing the meaning of existing words is childish and unhelpful.

As far as I know, yes, it is the official term for all of us. We all get a sex assigned at birth.
Most of us never thinks twice about it.

We don't get assigned a sex at birth though. We have a sex which is observed and recorded. Our sex is determined at conception and is often observed prior to birth.

As PP explained 'assigned' implies a subjective choice made by the healthcare practitioner to place the newborn in a particular category.

'Observed' is more objective - the healthcare practitioner is simply noticing and recording which category the baby fits into. In most cases, this is very easy to tell. In a very small number of cases, blood tests are needed to clarify ambiguity.

As humans can't change sex its unnecessary to use assigned, observed or recorded in terms of a persons sex. It should just be what is your sex

Trans identifying men are NOT women; they're ....... men. Who knew? The definitions we have are absolutely fine 🙂

Then we need new people. And dictionaries!

Official by whom?

Doctors may have used that term in the pre-DNA days when there was limited understanding or methods to classify individual babies and used that term to recognise their limitations and possible error.

My understanding is that the current training would be to recognise that there is a disorder and await for test result?

Probably. But I have zero fucks to give. I think clarity around the issue of sex is vital and I prefer to call male-born folk .... men 🙂

MushMonster · Today 11:36
As far as I know, yes, it is the official term for all of us. We all get a sex assigned at birth.
Most of us never thinks twice about it.

The NHS got sued by women who were told the incorrect sex during a scan as the external sex organs were missed or another body part was assigned that role(?). Which is one reason why some Trust have a policy to refuse to sex a child during any pre birth managment.

As I said nit picking 🙃

By law its "register" by telling the Register known facts.

If the words 'woman' and 'man' are redundant, then so must the words we use for other adult animals ; bulls, hens, mares, ewes, etc.

I’m not sure bulls are claiming to be cow’s so the name is not redundant. Lucky cow’s!

I’m not sure bulls are claiming to be cow’s so the name is not redundant. Lucky cow’s!

I’m not sure bulls are claiming to be cow’s so the name is not redundant. Lucky cow’s!

Oops sorry for double post

Oh my, it is assigned by the doctor! After observing the baby. Now, in 99.9....% that is the sex of the baby.
And nope, sex is not fully determined at conception (only). But it starts around the sixth week of pregnancy. If all goes well, it matches the genetic XX or XY. Look it up, it is really fascinating. Default human is female, by the way.
The term assigned itself is not wrong. No need to really argue about it. Have a look at Southampton Children Hospital on sex assignment in newborn babies.

No one can change sex, anyway.

Sex is determined at conception. The default sex of a foetus is not female. The reproductive structures are undifferentiated for first six weeks but the foetus is still male or female.

I agree with your last sentence but the rest of your post is incorrect.

As Spannasaurus points out the sex is fixed at conception but embryo differentiation occurs at 6 weeks.

Have a think about IVF and embryo implantation. Sex selection can take place on day 3 after fertilisation of the egg when there are enough cells available to test the chromosomes. Our sex is determined by our chromosomes. Anomalies do not constitute other sexes - there is only male and female.

Unfortunately the resources on this you appear to have found so far are lies produced by activists. Look up Emma Hilton, an expert on the subject (also called fondofbeetles on X) for some truthful information, not trans activist propaganda trying to undermine the concept of sex for their own ends.

Btw, doctors don’t ‘assign’ anything. That is activist language again designed to undermine the binary. The sex of a baby is often known before birth. We knew the chromosomes of my baby at 20 weeks.

Have a think about women that give birth completely on their own. Their baby still has a sex, despite no doctor ‘assigning’ it. How did people have a sex before doctors were invented?

It really seems like knowledge is going backwards. How do people not know how babies work?

Neither can a man claim to be a woman. It is a mathematical impossibility

Well he can, but whether that makes it a reality is a different matter entirely.

In what way is a transgender woman a woman? I mean someone with XY chromosomes who says they are a trans woman, what makes her a woman trans or other prefix?