To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

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After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

Yes, exactly this!

Brava!!

Dylan Mulvaney actually looked his best when he was being Dillie the opossum

There’s no right or wrong way to be a woman. Different cultures dictate to some extent how women can/do experience their life as a woman. These are so diverse there can be no societal experience common to all women, therefore no stable universal category of ‘living like a woman.’

However all women do experience moving through the world with a female body - which is a shared experience. This biological reality, conferred by evolution to propel genes into the next generation, can never be experienced by a man. Not all women can or do have children, but all female bodies follow a pathway to produce ovum. 100% of all people who have given birth to a child were women.

Speaking of men having their own personal, unverifiable experience of being female is so regressive it’s unfathomable. Given the above the only experience they can have is ideas generated from their observations of women. Physical attributes make stark demarcations between men & women, & costume furthers these differences. For example men don’t have breasts to feed children, so a man wearing a bra is like a non-smoker holding a pipe.

To tell women that they can’t be told what a male experience of femaleness is, because it’s just so personal & has nothing to do with us, is ridiculous. Although the last part is correct, it really does have nothing to do with our collective experience, because they’re men.

Well I for one am hoping that we get at least a couple of relevant links from that search that draws a strong enough conclusion to be categorised as ‘evidence’ that a group of people have a unique and identifiable hormone profile (produced naturally and prior to any treatment, of course) that is common between even a large % of people who have the belief that they are transgender.

That would actually be one of the first high quality studies that might be important to diagnose who is and who isn’t. The fact that no review by different countries picked up this high quality evidence if true, though would be very concerning.

Oh my goodness!

My dog is sitting next to me. I think he has a great life. I make lots of assumptions about how he feels & thinks, whether he’s happy or not, but how the hell would I know?

What’s the difference? I’m no nearer to being a dog than a man is to being a woman. Which is sad if I’d like to be a dog, or a man wants to be a woman. Take it up with nature or the big fella in the sky, depending on your belief set.

“Speaking of men having their own personal, unverifiable experience of being female is so regressive it’s unfathomable. Given the above the only experience they can have is ideas generated from their observations of women.”

Yes.

And also that society must treat this male person’s conceptualisation as if it was an accurate categorisation and reflected the material reality of a female experience through law and policy is unheard of for any other group.

So, we have to keep asking, on what grounds does this group get to have special treatment where they are given privileges that are not available to others. A male person getting access to female single sex provisions is an additional privilege because they also have the access to their own single sex provisions. That they reject that access to their own single sex provision is their choice and their choice alone.

And by the way Knotty.

Despite what so many people assert, I have spent some time sitting watching crowds lately and yes, it is rather easy to tell which person is male and female without even considering their clothes.

Part of my job involves tidying a male changing room and refilling loo roll. How would that work???

What do you do now? Do you put a sign out? Surely that would be sufficient?

Inchworms · Yesterday 19:45
I can find a reference to a telegraph article that mentions this ‘let the war begin’ statement but I can’t find the statement and it seems to have just been a random tweet by…anyone. Seems a little disingenuous to use it in this context to stir up bad feelings, especially given that this is an emotive issue with the potential for real world violence

Really? Your point was that trans identified men have been violent to women?
That's a real surprise because it reads to me like you were trying to say that actually it's the trans identified people who would be at risk of violence. You also appear to be saying that the OP is somehow deliberately trying to "stir up bad feeling" by starting this thread.

As for
"If you are saying you’re fine with actual violence towards people because it’s in response to other violence other people who think the same as them might have done then OK."

Where in my post do you think I've said that? Don't attempt to put words in my mouth.

I think if you go back and have a read it's pretty clear I'm not ok with violence.

My point was very clear - ALL the violence we have seen over this subject has been perpetrated by the TRAs and has been directed at women.

I don't think you like women pointing out another worrying statement from trans identified men, I don't think you actually read my post (or at least if you did, you certainly didn't understand it), and I actually think you are the one who is being disingenuous here.

Edit: bold fail

No problem

I will challenge anyway though.

Well it’s not. What criteria are these males using to say they feel female even though they are male? To know they “feel female” they must have an idea of what a female feels to know they feel the same mustn’t they? Otherwise they don’t know they feel female. Females know they are female because they have female biology. What makes these males think they are female? You said you were an expert on this. So you should know right?

Absolutely - it's not usually the clothes that attracts my attention. It is the body shape and size. But often what attracts my attention is those body features juxtaposed with unexpected hair/clothes. So an unremarkable male stands out quite markedly when dressing in feminine clothing in a way that they wouldn't in regular sportswear or masculine clothing. Brains are wired to see different or unusual - which is why very very few TIMs pass

It is even where the joints are located as you see limbs move through the clothes.

There are some many cues that it is laughable every time that some one tries to tell us the we cannot tell.

“What makes these males think they are female?”

Even better, why should society act as if society complies with the belief that those male people have that they are not like any other male people and should be treated as female people?

All based on reasoning founded on philosophical theory that someone’s belief should be considered as equal priority, and considered as being materially real for categorising people to access specific rights. When there is no factual basis to that belief, it is all philosophical.

The physical differences in the two sexes are many and interesting.

I was listening to something the other day. Males have wider, thicker jaws, thicker skulls & a more pronounced brow with their eyes set back a little more than women. This evolutionary process reflects the fact that men have been physically fighting each other throughout human history, including punching each other in the face.

I was standing outside a hospital recently, people were teaming in and out. At a bus stop I could see somebody sitting reading, with their legs crossed. All the people around them were women. I couldn’t see much else of them, but knew just by the way they were positioned that they were female. When they stood & walked towards the bus I saw I was right.

“Males have wider, thicker jaws, thicker skulls & a more pronounced brow with their eyes set back a little more than women.”

Yes. This was of course something that fed into the World Rugby decision. That thicker skull and more prominent brow also gives extra protection to brain fibres that are more robust than those in female brains. Hence, in any contact sport a female person has a thinner skull**, less protective bone density, and more delicate brain fibres.

But hey… what does it matter!!!! If a male person believes philosophically that they are female because they label their experiences as such… it must fucking be considered as true and factual, eh?

**and let’s not forget that according to one renowned and celebrated lesbian woman:

“Most murder is boring, pedestrian, even accidental stuff.

Somewhere between a third and a half result from too much alcohol. A high proportion are domestic violence "gone wrong". A blow struck one time too many: an egg-shell skull.”

I mean, if an awarded top 100 ‘woman’ said it.. it must be considered a female perspective.

A video of Jennifer Lopez popped up on my Insta feed the other day, she’s walking past a line of people and the young person she’s following is apparently her non-binary teenager. I guess if you were looking at a still photograph, carefully posed and with certain lighting, you might not know at first glance if the teenager is male or female. In the video clip where the teenager is walking you can tell straight away what sex they are.

Poor old women and their pedestrian domestic violence murders.

Indeed.

Those wonderful female perspectives just keep on coming.

Shall we post the wonderful unique female perspectives of Lees, Serrano, Lavery (with the staggering penis), Alok, Chappell (a few extra murdered women is acceptable), and the list is very long. All female perspectives that we should consider as leading female voices.

So one man understands himself to be Jesus.

Another man understands himself to be a wolf.

The third man understands himself to be a woman.

Please explain why you think there is a difference?

But you can’t remotely contemplate accepting that women are not the same as ‘trans women’ or respecting our wishes not to have to mix with them at times.

It is a one way street with you.