To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

Yep. 👍

Excellent point!

If all comers are thoroughly decent fellows - nothing to see here - then I’ll be thrilled. And reassured.

Also as pps have mentioned - any large group of young men with no socialising effect of family is going to be problematic. The world over and since the dawn of time has seen trouble when armies/large groups have arrived somewhere.

Additionally, does anyone working with asylum seekers know if they are given guidelines on host country values? By that I mean largely the attitude towards women. I can’t understand for the life of me how some people (indeed posters on MN) think that women being second-class citizens should be a culturally-respected position.

I said that people are being radicalised online by the far right who are organising protests outside hotels and telling people that asylum seekers are paedophiles and rapists. I gave Andrew Tate and incel culture as an example of online radicalisation. I at no point, said that radicalisation was a good idea.

Many of the men creating division and stirring hatred in the cause of protecting women and children, seem to have convictions and histories of domestic abuse and violence against women. This has been found to be the case from last year's riot and the recent NI riots. I'm wondering why this doesn't seem to be important when it comes to protecting women and children.

We have no evidence that asylum seekers and refugees are any more a danger to women and children than the far right activists or British men.

Separate problem entirely

No it's not.

We also have no evidence they are not a higher threat.
Which was my whole point.

The only reason you are able to make your point about convictions of domestic abuse is because it’s recorded.

We need this information about the men we are shipping in as well

We're not 'shipping in' men. That makes it sound as though the government is going out of their way to bring asylum seekers here.

You can't claim refugee status if you are a danger to the country or are a sex offender; you lose refugee protection:
www.gov.uk/government/news/sex-offenders-to-be-stripped-of-refugee-protections

Haha.

Just don't bring a passport. Can't be sent back to a country they can't verify you from

In which case the ones being arrested for rape and sexual assault must not be refugees then?
Just plain illegal immigrants.
Not sure what your point is there

We very much have proof that men staying in ‘migrant hotels’ have been charged with rape, so not sure what point you think you’re making?

And you think sex crime status is a fact that can be established where the recording authority is the Taliban?

This cites a ‘sex offenders register’, is this available everywhere?

Plus this, how can it be checked

They're not being shipped in.

Bussed in then.

They’re not just roaming aimlessly around the beach, to find themselves all staying at exactly the same hotel are they?

You're acting as though all refugees and asylum seekers are sex offenders, they're evidently not. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. You can be refused refugee status if you are found guilty of sexual offences. I provided a link should you still be confused.

They're not being bused in either as you're perfectly aware.

Focus on a word doesn’t deflect from not thinking what you promote through. Clearly not everywhere has a ‘register’ and not everyone has documentation to say where that is.

You're starting from the premise that all men from certain ethnicities are sex offenders. The Refugee Convention states that refugee status can be withheld if you're a danger to the country and you must comply with the laws of the country you're in.

No, but what they are saying is we shouldn’t have immigration because of the safety of our women and girls. And yet they are not also protesting outside pubs and clubs about white men raping women.

No, you’re the one who’s confused.

Me stating there’s no statistics about these men is absolutely not saying ‘all of these men are rapists’.

I’d love to understand the thought process behind you coming to that conclusion?

The fact that men staying in migrant hotels have been charged with rape makes your point irrelevant.
’You can be refused’ not ‘will be’. And again, all very irrelevant if they’re coming from a country where rape is a crime for the woman who was raped, and not the rapist

Yes so is there a sex offenders’ register under the Taliban?

So how are they getting to these hotels?

No, I’m starting from the perfectly logical assumption that men from the most misogynistic countries on the planet are more likely to be misogynistic. A conclusion anyone with half a brain can draw.

Exactly. Look at the laws and lack of any register in the country controlled by eg the Taliban. The men comply to those laws which mean the lack of any freedom for women.

I think some just read Labour stuff without thinking it through.