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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to be annoyed with both my friend and my husband

397 replies

JaneAustenFann · 05/08/2025 17:47

Been friends with a lady in my local community since she moved here about 4 years ago now to the neighbourhood , same ages DC , both of us working women, and a common group of girlfriends in the neighbourhood. Have done girls night's out in the past, and one trip last year with four ladies in total, with our family

Bunch of us planned a holiday with our family's in tow, for various reasons the three other ladies cancelled - and it ended up being us two away together with DHs and Kids.

So, when we planned it, it was self catering large caravans next to each other at this place that had stunning views and spectacular reviews. As DHs were going to be doing all the driving and some of the outdoorsy camp stuff with the kids, we agreed we would do the cooking. With the trip being only two nights away, we had agreed on bringing homemade food each of us for night 1 and to eat it all together, and to cook something simple for night 2.

Turns out I ended up bringing a huger amount of food for night 1 (the mains) but thought it sort of evened out as we ate inside, at theirs , as it was damp at night - there were two pots used to heat the food and we did leave the washing up of that to them - I left the leftovers with her and I think they warmed it up for breakfast the next morning , while I made some breakfast for us in our own caravan before we set out on activities for the day which again involved a lot of hill side driving which was done by the two DHs.

Turns out and I only found out on morning of day 2 that DH had offered to make them dinner on night 2 - now this annoyed me straight off the bat. It is an elaborate dish but one that DH loves , so it was partly for himself , but still I felt it upset the balanced planning I had in my mind. When he told me about it morning of day 2, I said fine , I hadnt unpacked my reaction yet so decided to go with it for then in order to let day 2 run smoothly and gracefully with the kids having fun as per the plan , and avoiding arguments seemed key. I wasnt happy about it though. It was a dish I hated to eat first off, I can't stand that particular type of fish cooked in that way and he knew that, but he also knew I would eat it if I had to. The original plan was for me and her to cook something simple together with the work divided among the two of us. In my mind, I had already done equal or more on night 1 with leaving a big box of leftovers for her for day 2 breakfast while I didnt take back any leftovers for us for morning after.

When i mentioned to her that DH planned to make dinner on night 2 and that rest of us could help out with prep etc, she answered extremely enthusiastically 'yes he said he was going to cook his fabulous xx for us tonight , wow etc' just seemed a bit odd to me as she knew I do not like that dish , but not her fault, DHs fault primarily . So let it slide

We had to leave the evening activities earlier to go get the ingredients for the elaborate dish, so I think the resentment against DH and her were building inside for me at that point. In retrospect, she could have offered that she and her DH do the shop as my DH was lead chef ? He does do his share of the cooking at home , but usually I have to nag for it to be 50pc though we both work ( a repeating theme on MN i Know) so to me , this reiterated the fact that he sometimes flirts or likes the ego boost of admiration of women, nothing new that I havent spotted already in the past 15 years with him but it has been harmless flirting in the past , never gets to affair stage, but is still low key annoying as I feel esp on holiday me and DC should have been his priority and it is annoying when he is seeking ego massaging as being seen as a great guy from my circle of lady friends instead of fucking off to do it with women at work (sorry for the langauge , but this is inconsiderate and lazy even when 'harmless')

anyway, he made the dinner, with both her and her DH helping as they can stand the smell and look of this type of fish dish, so ended up her H had no rest after a day of driving either thanks to DH changing the plan. She wasn't really doing that much with her DH helping mine , but I noticed on this trip more than I have in the past she likes to project manage and boss everyone around quite a lot , even when she's not doing a great deal herself, it had not been this noticeable in the past , if at all.

I kept the kids entertained in the open plan kitchen/dining and living area while the dinner was being made. Turns out they added too much of spice and flavour to the dish (it is not clear to me why or who's idea that was, as DH always adds just the right amount , never too much heat) and it ended up being inedible for my dc, and my husband cant eat spicy either, so he barely ate either. All of us ended up having mostly just the starters which was ready made and I popped in the oven for us, while their family enjoyed the spicy meal and also had two boxes of leftovers - presumably they were sorted for the long road trip back the next day as the plan to have lunch at an inn on the way back was turned down in a vague manner by them saying kids were fast asleep ( I figured they were eating the leftovers in the car while on the road, as wouldnt be starving the whole day ?)

We proceeded with the inn for lunch etc on our own.

So the above had me annoyed with both DH and friend, and not sure if AIBU?
I have long suspected DH is ND and on the spectrum which complicates it, as he doesnt see planning and organising as crucial the way I do.

The other thing is and perhaps this ties into him being ND, although maybe this is just overgrown teen boy behaviour unnacceptable for a grown man, but when we were at a pub lunch on day 2 - I went to get something from the car, and DH hid my mobile phone I think when I left it on the table at my seat, as a funny joke he says. When I came back in and couldnt see it there, I knew it was probably him and felt embarrased by the clownish act in front of friends, was searching for it just in case it fell off the table, while asking him whether he took my purse , and I noticed friend laughing (at me presumably as was in on the joke) when I was asking if anyone had seen my purse. What kind of 40 plus year old finds this a funny trick to play ? and what kind of 40 year old finds this laughable ?

Read him the riot act for this on the drive back home and he claims it was a funny joke and I was getting too serious. I actually felt a couple of times on the trip that the only other adult was her DH , and there was one incident when she told him off in the kitchen for dropping a utensil on the floor where I felt sorry for him. I actually felt a spark of ..like?....for him when he reacted so gracefully and classily in my mind to her embarrassing outburst. Absolutely not letting it upset him or reacting likewise.

AIBU to be kinda put off by both H and friend for the purse incident too ?
I think I can get liking someone , or feeling a spark, as long as harmless, and no intention to pursue it , we are all human. So okay, to offer to make a dish (him) or laugh (perhaps in embarrassment or not knowing what else to do) (her) for a silly joke.....but I think I am more put off by the fact, that she would not maybe make a quick pasta or something morning off the return to offer me some packed food for the road trip back, or something thoughtful and nice to even things nicely ?

And H needs to grow up re the purse hiding thing , disgusting, thats not even in the AIBU question, that has to be unfunny and disrespectful right ?

OP posts:
LillyPJ · 06/08/2025 07:50

@clotheslinefiasco Watch that video clip above - that just about sums it up.

EnjoyingTheArmoire · 06/08/2025 07:51

I think that trying to change too many details has been part of your undoing.

Hating a fish dish that you will begrudgingly eat when you usually eat fish is not as bad as being a vegetarian forced to eat meat for example.

Regardless of the latest incidence, or any ND traits that you think your DH may have, would strongly recommend the Relationships board either to read or post (about the relationship in general and tips to get out). Namechanging and only changing a small detail or two that has no outcome on the advice offered is best.

There's also an Asian MNers topic just FYI.

Holdingonfornow · 06/08/2025 08:01

I hope he offered to cook the spicy fish in their caravan not yours.

it sounds like he was showing off to her/them in both examples (cooking elaborate food you don’t like, hiding the purse) and you felt undermined/unconsidered/the butt of the joke. I would also be annoyed that they didn’t make something for dinner that everyone could eat (especially the kids). I’d chalk it up to experience and not do this type of holiday again.

Evergreen21 · 06/08/2025 08:14

Going away with other families doesn't suit you. Shared holidays tend to be enjoyed by people who aren't so strict about who does what and are more go with the flow types. You dont have that type of personality (neither do i) and so the unequal division of labour has really annoyed you. It also doesn't help that you felt your dh was showing off infront of your friend.

I think you were right to talk to your dh about his behaviour in terms of him being an arse hiding your phone but with regards to your friend I'd avoid going away with her and her family again.

SulkySeagull · 06/08/2025 08:14

It’s one dinner OP. One. Dinner.

Glowingup · 06/08/2025 08:15

My god that rambled on a bit didn’t it?

Orange3344 · 06/08/2025 08:17

Holidaying with friends/extended family is always like this, hang on, holidaying with anyone can be like this! I have best friends that I would never want to holiday with, we are just too different! I wouldn't judge the marriage or friendship based on this alone. If the behaviour happens all the time, that's different. It's quite a bit of karma that he wasn't able to eat his own dinner after all that!

TheGoddessFrigg · 06/08/2025 08:33

JaneAustenFann · 05/08/2025 20:47

i felt so bullied and cried at night

This is why I never go on holiday with other people.... Why faff about cooking if you're only away for two days? Just have breakfast stuff and then go down the pub. Or fish and chip shop.

MyDeftDuck · 06/08/2025 08:42

ThejoyofNC · 05/08/2025 18:23

I genuinely cannot read to the end of that. Can you provide a summary of the actual problem?

This
Sorry, I bailed too.

CharlotteLightandDark · 06/08/2025 08:45

Wow that Brenda and Frank AI thing is scary, feels like it was programmed by the worst most hyperbolic hysteria in mumsnet/reddit forums.

StarCourt · 06/08/2025 08:52

You lost me at chapter 77

SmurfnoffIce · 06/08/2025 08:53

Ontheedgeofit · 05/08/2025 18:48

Can’t cook because you are having a longer than normal period … Cook while still bleeding…

Sounds a bit dramatic OP.

Yes, I did think her leg was hanging off for some reason before I got to the end of this post.

I’d love to know what she thinks single women do when we have our period.

FiveBarGate · 06/08/2025 08:54

@JaneAustenFann I think your husband has behaved badly. But you have focused so much on trying to avoid the real details that your posts make this difficult to understand and that's why you are getting such shitty responses.

Essentially he was more concerned with impressing another woman and cooked a fancy meat dish which massively inconvenienced you and which you can't eat because you are vegetarian.

He was more interested in flirting than in your family and made subtle digs at you all weekend in a bid to make himself feel better/impress another woman.

I think your anger is misplaced. You are mad at her and now considering cutting her off and potentially your other friends. This is a mistake.

Don't holiday with her again but if someone says 'I'm making x it's my speciality do you want this too' I'd probably say yes to be polite. They may well have found it a faff they could happily have done without even if they enjoyed the end result.

She may think your husband is a twat but smiled politely because you are all on holiday together and you don't want to cause a big row. You say he is ND so he may well have ploughed on regardless of whatever signals she was giving.

Don't push your friends away. I think you will need them.

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 06/08/2025 08:54

I hope "spicy fish" becomes a MN thing 🤣

LauraMipsum · 06/08/2025 08:59

TheDisillusionedAnarchist · 05/08/2025 21:10

I think it sounds like you are both ND but different flavours of it. You have the organisation, rigidity, strict sense of justice (this clearly felt very unfair to you) and rumination. He has the drive for novelty and lack of thinking of others and the slapdashness and lack of awareness of social appropriateness.

Neither of you were right or wrong but you communicated poorly or not at all and triggered each other about something that was really neither here nor there.

I think this is spot on.

I am quite good friends with a couple like this. He has ADHD and will change the plans at the drop of a hat if he thinks it will be fun and exciting. She is autistic and a change of plan infuriates and stresses her - but thanks to female socialisation she will always, like the OP, say it is "fine." Then there is a bad atmosphere as she's clearly in a snit but won't say what the problem is, and she ruminates over it and then it all comes out in something unrelated (I can totally imagine her like the OP suddenly coming out two days later with "I had to cook dinner! While BLEEDING!") I like both of them but my goodness they can be hard work in these situations.

Venalopolos · 06/08/2025 09:01

The point is that you don’t actually like your husband and the friend. They didn’t do anything too unreasonable here.

No one wanted to stick with your rigid plans for dinner when a new (and in their eyes) better idea came up. I’m a picky eater and I wouldn’t hold back the group from eating what they wanted, I would’ve just picked up something separate from the supermarket and sorted myself out. Neither your DH nor your friend put more labour into you so they didn’t need your approval to change plans as they too are adults who can decide how their holiday goes. Similarly, the other DH didn’t seem put out by driving and cooking and you don’t get to be annoyed on his behalf.

The hiding thing is a prank my DH would play too. I don’t think it’s funny but I roll my eyes and get on with it because I love him and I can overlook this slightly annoying flaw. I don’t doubt that he gives me the same grace too.

What is unacceptable is that he was too tired to cook the next day if you’d been working and he wasn’t (period is totally irrelevant). I wouldn’t stand for that if he does generally do some of the cooking, unless he’d been looking after small children all day which may actually be more tiring than your job.

In a normal, healthy relationship this would all be a nothing. But it’s clear you’re not starting from a normal, healthy relationship.

I don’t know why you’re annoyed with your friend though.

Rosscameasdoody · 06/08/2025 09:03

OP did you know that the James Webb telescope has a 16 metre hexagonal mirror, allowing it to collect more information than any predecessor ? If l had that telescope here, l still couldn’t locate my interest in your non problem.

Crunchienuts · 06/08/2025 09:06

How on earth did you manage to write so much on such a nonexistent issue. It’s quite an achievement!

MummaMummaMumma · 06/08/2025 09:07

Wow, how much of your life have you wasted writing that hugggge essay out?!
Over your husband offering to cook dinner?
How have you managed to get so stressed out by that?
Chill. Deep breaths!

MySweetGeorgina · 06/08/2025 09:10

hmmm

I reckon you are right in your deductions that they made a dish that did not appeal to you and deliberately (this was no accident!) made it too spicy so you could not eat it, then carried the leftovers home as everybody LOVES leftover intricate fish dishes in the car on a long journey home. They were cheeky fish thieves 😡

i would write them a long email to explain that you are onto them and maybe call police or at least log the incident with 101

Notsosure1 · 06/08/2025 09:23

I don’t know why you’re angry with you (former) friend for accepting your husband’s offer to cook. Presumably she saw it as most ppl would - an opportunity that neither of the wives/mums cooked. You weren’t meant to either. She could have said, “ oh that’s really kind, ate you sure?” But if he said something like “How bout I make my world famous x dish for us all tmoro night?” Wouod you really expect her to say “Absolutely not, me and your wife agreed we’d both be making a simple (boring) dish today. That’s what we agreed.” 🤷♀️

She may have offered and he rebuffed her - you don’t know, you weren’t there. She might have felt awkward turning him down if he was enthusiastically offering.

It sounds like you have a set way you want things doing and have a bit of a meltdown if things aren’t down your way or the way you expected them to be done. That’s rigid/ inflexible thinking which is really difficult for those around you, especially if you keep quiet and don’t let them know where the goalposts are to begin with.

Bleeding all day is a weird excuse too. Nearly every woman in the world bleeds every month and just get ons with things. If you have a medical problem with this though you should really see a GP.

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 06/08/2025 09:30

Rosscameasdoody · 06/08/2025 09:03

OP did you know that the James Webb telescope has a 16 metre hexagonal mirror, allowing it to collect more information than any predecessor ? If l had that telescope here, l still couldn’t locate my interest in your non problem.

Days when I miss the laugh react
🤣

Mirabai · 06/08/2025 09:36

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 05/08/2025 21:38

Og more AI bullshit

It's telling you what you want to hear. Stop.

How is possible that the AI version is even longer than the orginal?

XiCi · 06/08/2025 09:40

There is obviously a lot going on here OP. I can understand you feeling ignored and undervalued in your relationship and your DH constantly flirting with other women is awful behaviour. I couldnt live with that.

Having said that I don't think your friend has done anything wrong here. The first night went to plan and the second night she just went along with what your DH wanted to do. There was also no point them giving you any leftovers as you and your children didn't like the food. I suspect that not stopping at the inn was nothing to do with leftovers and they just couldn't stand the atmosphere between you two.

Im glad that you're considering going to counselling because you really need to advocate for yourself more. The situation on night 2 just wouldn't have happened to me because I would have pulled my DH up about cooking a meal I didn't like. That would just have been an immediate No . If he wanted to show off his cooking skills he could have done it with a dish you all like. I hope you manage to move forward as your life with this man doesn't seem very happy. You need to look at that clearly though instead of blaming people on the periphery like your friend.

Clarabell77 · 06/08/2025 09:46

CalicoPusscat · 05/08/2025 18:43

@JaneAustenFann can we know what the food was please? A fish curry?

The couple don't sound very good at providing for others, but it's after the event now.

The couple, like most people, probably thought they’d just go with the flow…