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JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 20:38

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 20:30

Yeah milly and the other victims, sll victims were of course entitled to live their lives. Of course they are

prisoners are entitled to various things when on enhanced.

They shouldn’t be; is the point.

Everyday99 · 04/08/2025 20:38

useless to discuss
God will deal with these and everyone else, good or bad

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 20:39

tigger1001 · 04/08/2025 20:38

It's more than that though.

incentives to good behaviour makes it a little safer for other inmates (guessing you may not care much about that) but also the officers working there.

It would be safe for everyone if they were kept in concrete cells with just a slot through which to push their daily meal. No PlayStations required.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 20:42

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 20:38

They shouldn’t be; is the point.

Who says the ‘shouldn’t be’? It’s how the prison system works

or do you prefer myself and my colleagues get beaten,assaulted and attacked because a prisoner is bored, angry and not getting the same as the enhanced prisoner in the next cell because someone on mumsnet doesn’t like it?

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 20:44

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 20:39

It would be safe for everyone if they were kept in concrete cells with just a slot through which to push their daily meal. No PlayStations required.

No it wouldn’t be

because they have to come out for showers/exercise/appointments and everything else that our U.K. law affords them

what then?

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 20:45

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 20:42

Who says the ‘shouldn’t be’? It’s how the prison system works

or do you prefer myself and my colleagues get beaten,assaulted and attacked because a prisoner is bored, angry and not getting the same as the enhanced prisoner in the next cell because someone on mumsnet doesn’t like it?

You won’t be beaten if they’re locked in a concrete cell, alone, all day.

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 20:46

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 20:42

Who says the ‘shouldn’t be’? It’s how the prison system works

or do you prefer myself and my colleagues get beaten,assaulted and attacked because a prisoner is bored, angry and not getting the same as the enhanced prisoner in the next cell because someone on mumsnet doesn’t like it?

Well, PP would say they wont be a risk if they are kept in a concrete cell 24/7.

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 20:46

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 20:37

After abducting Milly and assaulting her at his flat a few yards from Walton Station, he then drove her to his mother’s house. He reversed down a long driveway and then raped her in broad daylight over the boot of his car.
Bellfield then moved her to another location, where the rape and torture continued for a number of hours until the next day when he finally strangled her to death.

I want to post that extract from the Dowler family statement so you cannot hide from your disgust when you assert Bellfield should be able to spend the rest of his life doing enjoyable things at the taxpayers expense and is even ‘entitled’ to them.

Can you even imagine what the last 20 years have been like for her mum? She is living in far worse pain than Bellfield will ever have to.

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 20:46

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 20:46

Well, PP would say they wont be a risk if they are kept in a concrete cell 24/7.

Correct!

Ooodelally · 04/08/2025 20:47

We should bring back the death penalty and I’d have been happy to see this piece of filth swing for what he did. He certainly doesn’t deserve a bloody x-box!

Lavender14 · 04/08/2025 20:48

This is the type of ragebait shit that reaffirms why I don't read the daily fail.

I think his punishment has been loss of liberty for the rest of his life. Which I think is apt given that his crimes were completely atrocious and I personally will never agree with the death penalty and am glad we don't have it here. I'm glad he will die in prison and is off our streets.

I think what you need to consider is actually prison management. This man may never walk the streets again, but there needs to be behaviour management strategies in place in prison to incentivise positive and compliant behaviour and reduce suicide attempts/riotous or violent behaviour in prisoners in order to support prison officers authority and most importantly to keep them safe (mentally and physically) in their jobs as well as managing staff retention in the prison system workforce.

I would ask serious questions about how good the "source" is at their job if they're a prison officer and don't see why its in their best interests.

The best gauge of how civilised a society is, is to look at how they treat the worst among them. Describing any prison as a mansion is deliberately provocative and misleading. Have you ever been inside a prison op? It's oppressive but unfortunately there will always be people like this guy who are completely unable to function safely in the real world independently and who need to be completely institutionalised to keep them and others safe for the rest of their life. It's unpalatable, but it's very easy to simply blame someone for awful things they've done, label them evil and wash your hands of them, but excluding true born psychopaths who had all their needs met in childhood (which are reasonably rare), the reality is that most serial killers are made and have been to some extent a victim themselves at some stage in their life. Doesn't excuse what they've done, but sometimes we're punishing someone who's been failed for never having been provided with the care and nurturing they should have been raised with in order to be safe in society. I personally don't think the death penalty or providing inadequate stimulation/food/ other provisions is ethical when you consider that aspect of it. So to me, long term loss of liberty and protection for the public knowing they are off the street is appropriate.

It also allows grace for people who have been wrongfully convicted which we know happens.

ilovesooty · 04/08/2025 20:54

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 20:42

Who says the ‘shouldn’t be’? It’s how the prison system works

or do you prefer myself and my colleagues get beaten,assaulted and attacked because a prisoner is bored, angry and not getting the same as the enhanced prisoner in the next cell because someone on mumsnet doesn’t like it?

Those posters sadly don't seem to give a stuff about your wellbeing or safety in the workplace.

Ihopeithinkiknow · 04/08/2025 20:59

Everyday99 · 04/08/2025 20:38

useless to discuss
God will deal with these and everyone else, good or bad

Is that the same god who will let a sadistic serial into heaven if they ask him for forgiveness?

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2025 20:59

Wtaf has happened to MN in the last couple of weeks? More toxic threads in a few days than in the preceding decade. All of you slavering over the idea of state sanctioned murder should be ashamed of yourselves.

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 21:02

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2025 20:59

Wtaf has happened to MN in the last couple of weeks? More toxic threads in a few days than in the preceding decade. All of you slavering over the idea of state sanctioned murder should be ashamed of yourselves.

School holidays. Bored teens or fed up parents wanting to take out frustration online.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 21:06

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 20:45

You won’t be beaten if they’re locked in a concrete cell, alone, all day.

We would lose our jobs, that’s not legal. Ombudsmen would wipe the floor with us

i have kids to feed

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 21:08

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 21:06

We would lose our jobs, that’s not legal. Ombudsmen would wipe the floor with us

i have kids to feed

Yep, and I am also sure you don't want to go home with a black eye or worse.

squashedalmondcroissant · 04/08/2025 21:09

@Allseeingallknowing problem is you can never be 100% sure, ever. Even with a full confession. Even with multiple sources of forensic evidence. Even DNA is not 100% sure!

There will always be mistakes made, and quite frequently are, for various reasons.

KTheGrey · 04/08/2025 21:10

PassingStranger · 04/08/2025 16:27

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14967585/Serial-killer-Levi-Bellfield-Xbox-games-fry-prison-mansion.html

I'm sure the families of his victims don't really want to read this?

What's this all about. People on whole life sentences are meant to have the bare minimum

🙄😫😢

Not sure that there is a direct connection between not having the death penalty and being allowed £30 a week and a weekly fry up. What the heck’s an enhanced prisoner? Why do they get an extra £11 a week?

PassingStranger · 04/08/2025 21:16

KTheGrey · 04/08/2025 21:10

Not sure that there is a direct connection between not having the death penalty and being allowed £30 a week and a weekly fry up. What the heck’s an enhanced prisoner? Why do they get an extra £11 a week?

Exactly. Just give him bread and water and a bit of lumpy porridge now and again.

OP posts:
scalt · 04/08/2025 21:18

From the daily mail song (search it on YouTube):

”Ian Huntley gets his own jacuzzi and a gym in jail,
I know it must be true, because I read in the daily mail.”

Other lines in that song are
immigration like a flood
immigration off the scale…
It never gets old, the crap the Daily Heil prints to make people angry over their cornflakes.

PassingStranger · 04/08/2025 21:19

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2025 20:59

Wtaf has happened to MN in the last couple of weeks? More toxic threads in a few days than in the preceding decade. All of you slavering over the idea of state sanctioned murder should be ashamed of yourselves.

It's actually and interesting topic, which is widely debated.

Perhaps yous prefer people just stuck to.moa ing about their mother in laws all the time.🙄

OP posts:
BIossomtoes · 04/08/2025 21:21

It’s not being debated. It’s an excuse for people to write sadistic shit. Shame on you.

KTheGrey · 04/08/2025 21:22

bombastix · 04/08/2025 18:00

Well yes. Apparently they used to get hundreds of applications to be hangmen when it was legal.

A lot of very odd people get gratification from power over others like this. Only some are in prison

I did not know this. I am a bit shocked. I have always thought I could not support the death penalty because I could not support expecting somebody to do something I could not do.

Possibly quite hypocritical as I eat meat and I don’t think I could slaughter a cow.

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