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Lemniscate8 · 07/08/2025 00:29

Allseeingallknowing · 06/08/2025 18:59

Leisure activities like TV and Xbox are deemed to be fun activities. Sport and exercise are needed to keep physically fit. Perhaps the fun activities could be privileges that are earned but not routinely provided.

they are

TheWatersofMarch · 07/08/2025 09:30

People in care homes pay all of their income towards their fees except £30.65 pw which is their Personal Allowance. It’s galling that this criminal has more than this each week for his personal spending.

Lemniscate8 · 07/08/2025 10:33

TheWatersofMarch · 07/08/2025 09:30

People in care homes pay all of their income towards their fees except £30.65 pw which is their Personal Allowance. It’s galling that this criminal has more than this each week for his personal spending.

He will be working for it. This is an unrealistic comparison, as many people in care homes are paid for by the state.

XenoBitch · 07/08/2025 10:45

TheWatersofMarch · 07/08/2025 09:30

People in care homes pay all of their income towards their fees except £30.65 pw which is their Personal Allowance. It’s galling that this criminal has more than this each week for his personal spending.

Apples and oranges.

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 10:45

Lemniscate8 · 07/08/2025 10:33

He will be working for it. This is an unrealistic comparison, as many people in care homes are paid for by the state.

Certainly those whose state pension is being used towards their fees leaving them with £30 a week are.

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 10:49

Ashley911 · 04/08/2025 16:30

As a serial killer, he does deserve to die. But having video games in jail is not going to replace a person's liberty by any scale. It's important that there is not complete sensory deprivation in jails, as that would amount to continuous torture, for life in some cases

Do you mean like his victims families have to endure?

He can have some drawing material and books.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/08/2025 12:25

Why is the pleasure of reading/drawing OK, but the pleasure of playing video games is unacceptable, @Alexandra2001?

How do you rank the fun/pleasure of various leisure activities, to draw the line between those you are happy for prisoners to enjoy, and those that aren’t acceptable, in your view? How does this take into account that different people enjoy different things, so you might be ‘depriving’ a prisoner of something that bores them and telling them the only activities that are permissible happen to be their favourite pastime?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 07/08/2025 14:51

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/08/2025 12:25

Why is the pleasure of reading/drawing OK, but the pleasure of playing video games is unacceptable, @Alexandra2001?

How do you rank the fun/pleasure of various leisure activities, to draw the line between those you are happy for prisoners to enjoy, and those that aren’t acceptable, in your view? How does this take into account that different people enjoy different things, so you might be ‘depriving’ a prisoner of something that bores them and telling them the only activities that are permissible happen to be their favourite pastime?

Can't stab anybody or cut them with a wireless controller, either. But a pencil and pencil sharpener? They can be used as weapons.

Allseeingallknowing · 07/08/2025 14:54

NeverDropYourMooncup · 07/08/2025 14:51

Can't stab anybody or cut them with a wireless controller, either. But a pencil and pencil sharpener? They can be used as weapons.

You’d be surprised at how sharp weapons can be fashioned out of anything!

NeverDropYourMooncup · 07/08/2025 15:01

Allseeingallknowing · 07/08/2025 14:54

You’d be surprised at how sharp weapons can be fashioned out of anything!

I wouldn't. They'd have to disassemble the controller to create something - and it's already keeping them absorbed and controllable for hours a day.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 07/08/2025 17:39

TheWatersofMarch · 07/08/2025 09:30

People in care homes pay all of their income towards their fees except £30.65 pw which is their Personal Allowance. It’s galling that this criminal has more than this each week for his personal spending.

How much does he have then?

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 07/08/2025 17:42

wizzywig · 06/08/2025 23:09

I think it's police stations. Not prisons. Unless the poster means the observation panel in the door?

Yes police stations

that poster got it wrong.

Ashley911 · 08/08/2025 20:40

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/08/2025 12:25

Why is the pleasure of reading/drawing OK, but the pleasure of playing video games is unacceptable, @Alexandra2001?

How do you rank the fun/pleasure of various leisure activities, to draw the line between those you are happy for prisoners to enjoy, and those that aren’t acceptable, in your view? How does this take into account that different people enjoy different things, so you might be ‘depriving’ a prisoner of something that bores them and telling them the only activities that are permissible happen to be their favourite pastime?

I feel like it's just because of the higher material value, that people are angry that a criminal like that could have that

Internaut · 09/08/2025 09:26

Allseeingallknowing · 06/08/2025 17:05

Well in regard to those on life sentences for major crimes, the public benefit by being protected from them! If they’re bored, I’m sure there is plenty of cleaning, maintenance etc to be done in prisons. They have an exercise yard. They have opportunities to read, write, learn, exercise. They don’t need TVs, X boxes or other entertainment. Many are beyond rehabilitation and should never see the light of day again.

Why is reading OK but not watching TV or playing games? They're just different forms of entertainment, after all.

Internaut · 09/08/2025 09:31

lacookierahcha · 06/08/2025 19:30

To be fair my son wouldn’t see this as punishment. (Sort of) joking aside I think I agree with you. Xbox distracts. He should be made to sit and think for many years on what he has done without the aid of a dopamine salve.

You can't order people what to think, so that's a total non-starter.

Internaut · 09/08/2025 09:34

nam3c4ang3 · 06/08/2025 19:43

As someone who has been directly affected by by the use of the death penalty - I do wonder how many would actually oppose if it if it concerned a loved one and it was proven. I knew someone who was actually murdered and their murderer got the death penalty. I have no sadness for him whatsoever. He admitted guilt and took the punishment. It’s very very different when it’s someone connected to you.

I suspect if it was someone I loved who had been murdered, I would want them to undergo horrible tortures before dying in unimaginable pain. But, fortunately, we do not make laws on the basis of people's primitive revenge instincts, because that would be the way to anarchy.

Wishihadanalgorithm · 09/08/2025 09:37

If they are going to keep him alive, I think a better way of looking after him would be to give him hard physical labour to do so he is too worn out in the evenings to do anything other than sleep. I think this for all people who have life sentences - especially those who won’t ever come out.

Prison is not for rehabilitating people like Bellfield, it’s for containing them and keeping us safe from him. He should be working hard for his bed and board because we are the ones footing his bill.

HerewardtheSleepy · 09/08/2025 09:39

You are: (a) talking bollocks and (b) an idiot for reading clickbait shit from the Daily Mail.

HTH.

Lemniscate8 · 09/08/2025 10:08

Wishihadanalgorithm · 09/08/2025 09:37

If they are going to keep him alive, I think a better way of looking after him would be to give him hard physical labour to do so he is too worn out in the evenings to do anything other than sleep. I think this for all people who have life sentences - especially those who won’t ever come out.

Prison is not for rehabilitating people like Bellfield, it’s for containing them and keeping us safe from him. He should be working hard for his bed and board because we are the ones footing his bill.

Firstly, he will be working for his spending money and earning his privileges. Why don't people understand that?

Secondly, we do not live in a regime that condones torture. That is something you should be deeply thankful for, not want to change.

I don't think many people understand the aims and ethos of British prisons. Some people on here should try looking into it a bit more. Being in prison is the punishment. Beyond that, people are entitled to their human rights.

This includes the right to freedom of religion and freedom from torture, the right to work, the right to education and the right to healthcare.

I would be interested to know exactly which human rights posters think should be denied to UK citizens, bearing in mind that if you are also a UK citizen you would also lose that right

SerendipityJane · 09/08/2025 10:16

HerewardtheSleepy · 09/08/2025 09:39

You are: (a) talking bollocks and (b) an idiot for reading clickbait shit from the Daily Mail.

HTH.

They aren't separate categories.

OonaStubbs · 09/08/2025 10:28

Criminals should not have human rights, as they have no respect for the human rights of the victims of their crimes.

SerendipityJane · 09/08/2025 10:33

OonaStubbs · 09/08/2025 10:28

Criminals should not have human rights, as they have no respect for the human rights of the victims of their crimes.

So who decides who is a criminal ?

What would you say to victims of miscarriages of justice ?

Are you looking forward to the next year at school ?

CurlewKate · 09/08/2025 10:36

OonaStubbs · 09/08/2025 10:28

Criminals should not have human rights, as they have no respect for the human rights of the victims of their crimes.

Prankster’s back! Best ignored.

SerendipityJane · 09/08/2025 10:38

CurlewKate · 09/08/2025 10:36

Prankster’s back! Best ignored.

Personally I like to drop in a few questions that will never get answered as a sort of drawing a line for the less dim.

CurlewKate · 09/08/2025 12:07

SerendipityJane · 09/08/2025 10:38

Personally I like to drop in a few questions that will never get answered as a sort of drawing a line for the less dim.

Good point.