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OP posts:
Ashley911 · 04/08/2025 16:46

Zimunya · 04/08/2025 16:43

A bed, washing facilities, and the opportunity to work (prison kitchen / workshop etc). No television, Xbox, or other electronics. Books if they want.

Why should they be allowed to work ? I would think the lack of that would be worse than not having a games console in the circumstances

Ashley911 · 04/08/2025 16:46

This has made me so sad that man should be drowned.

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 16:47

jannier · 04/08/2025 16:44

Then they will riot and possibly hurt wardens there has to be some sort of discipline reward system not just solitary sitting

If the reward of their freedom wasn’t enough to stop them murdering people, I doubt an x box will stop them from punching someone. The reason Bellfield ‘isn’t violent now’ is because he’s about 60, probably very overweight and in fear of the much younger and stronger men entering the jail every day

beezlebubnicky · 04/08/2025 16:47

I couldn't care less what privileges people get in prison, the point is they are incarcerated and not able to be out in society. That's sufficient punishment as it is.

I am all for prisoners having education, suitable activities, TVs, games, whatever. They are still human beings, regardless of what they have done and it would be hard to keep order if prisoners had nothing to do.

RantzNotBantz · 04/08/2025 16:49

Oh god the Mail.

A couple of days ago Bronzefield was ‘Monster Mansion’.

He’s never getting out.

If giving him some cheap nasty sausages means less work and expense on security to deal with prisoners kicking off, fine, give him some cancer-risk heart-risk processed saturated fat.

PassingStranger · 04/08/2025 16:50

He shouldn't have been allowed to change his name and convert to a faith either.
It's obvious he's done it for some sort of attention as he previously wasn't that bothered.

OP posts:
Devilsmommy · 04/08/2025 16:52

Ashley911 · 04/08/2025 16:30

As a serial killer, he does deserve to die. But having video games in jail is not going to replace a person's liberty by any scale. It's important that there is not complete sensory deprivation in jails, as that would amount to continuous torture, for life in some cases

As far as I'm concerned he should be tortured for life. Prison is meant to be a punishment, seems like a shit punishment to me

mintydoggyv · 04/08/2025 16:57

Are you going to personally going to carry this out then , because having capital punishment someone has to carry out the punishment could you do it

Ashley911 · 04/08/2025 16:57

Devilsmommy · 04/08/2025 16:52

As far as I'm concerned he should be tortured for life. Prison is meant to be a punishment, seems like a shit punishment to me

I've been in a psych ward before. Believe me confinement in itself is one of the worst things you can do to a living being

PocketSand · 04/08/2025 17:00

Deprivation of liberty is the court ordered punishment. The court will not and could not order that he is detained in a bare room with a tiny window. A side order of punishment to be decided and dished out by the institution holding them is not legal. The institution uses legal means to make sure the prisoner is best managed during their term of imprisonment. This is very likely to involve structured reward and withdrawal of privilege for a reason. This is for the benefit of the institution not the prisoner. A lot of victims and relatives of those murdered would agree that lifelong deprivation is a more fitting punishment than the ‘sweet release’ of death as the consequences to them are lifelong.

PassingStranger · 04/08/2025 17:01

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 16:47

If the reward of their freedom wasn’t enough to stop them murdering people, I doubt an x box will stop them from punching someone. The reason Bellfield ‘isn’t violent now’ is because he’s about 60, probably very overweight and in fear of the much younger and stronger men entering the jail every day

He won't see them. He will be segregated for his own safety.

OP posts:
BubblyBath178 · 04/08/2025 17:05

YABU.

  1. To be spouting DM nonsense.
  2. To be suggesting that the death penalty should be reinstated. For me, that would be a massive step back, especially given the fact that mistakes can be made.
JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 17:07

mintydoggyv · 04/08/2025 16:57

Are you going to personally going to carry this out then , because having capital punishment someone has to carry out the punishment could you do it

In Bellfield’s case yes, I would.

rightoguvnor · 04/08/2025 17:09

Since there is no death penalty (and I’m broadly anti anyway) I should be very pleased if they continue serving up ‘heart attack on a plate’ fry-ups and allowing him to sit in front of the telly vegetating. More chance of him popping his clogs and saving taxpayers some money than if he was a yogurt and salad freak gym-bunny.

Devilsmommy · 04/08/2025 17:13

Ashley911 · 04/08/2025 16:57

I've been in a psych ward before. Believe me confinement in itself is one of the worst things you can do to a living being

I've been in psych wards too so I know what you're talking about. However, I still don't think rapist murdering scumbags should get enjoyable things. Why should we give a shit about them? They didn't give one about their poor victims

SerendipityJane · 04/08/2025 17:14

He shouldn't have been allowed to change his name and convert to a faith either.

What's your considered policy and framework for preventing people from converting to a faith ? Or are you full of claptrap ?

BlueandPinkSwan · 04/08/2025 17:15

I used to be pro hanging but not now, it's too quick and deprivation of freedom is far worse. Plus there are certain types who will always have to watch their backs because things happen.

R0ckandHardPlace · 04/08/2025 17:17

PassingStranger · 04/08/2025 16:33

Why is he getting these extras though?
What does it mean, their hands are tied?

Why? Because they’re used as an incentive for prisoners. They have to earn the privileges by behaving themselves inside. Without them, why would prisoners work or otherwise keep their noses clean? There would be constant bedlam.

Devilsmommy · 04/08/2025 17:17

mintydoggyv · 04/08/2025 16:57

Are you going to personally going to carry this out then , because having capital punishment someone has to carry out the punishment could you do it

I 100% would not have a problem carrying it out

PullTheBricksDown · 04/08/2025 17:18

So there's no murder in the USA in the states that use the death penalty, right?

Howmanycatsistoomany · 04/08/2025 17:18

ArghhWhatNext · 04/08/2025 16:45

This is what makes prisoners riot. There is NOTHING pleasant about a Cat A prison (I’ve been, for work purposes). The beds are grim, the food is grim, the hygiene is grim, the smell is grim. There is an unpleasant atmosphere all the time. Locking people away with nothing to do makes them more dangerous. The prison officers was who work there deserve to be safe from harm. So do other prisoners.

They riot anyway. HMP Shotts used to riot every Christmas, one year because they got mince for Christmas dinner instead of turkey. Brand new prison totally trashed.

The older I get, the more I lean towards the El Salvador approach to maximum security prisons.

Ashley911 · 04/08/2025 17:19

PullTheBricksDown · 04/08/2025 17:18

So there's no murder in the USA in the states that use the death penalty, right?

It's because he deserves it.

bombastix · 04/08/2025 17:20

Haven’t we had this one before? Obviously all the people who say they’d enjoy killing murderers are completely bonkers. And maybe should be locked away.

pecanpiee · 04/08/2025 17:21

We do not need the death penalty.

Zoopet · 04/08/2025 17:25

pecanpiee · 04/08/2025 17:21

We do not need the death penalty.

Southport murderer of 3 innocent little girls?