This is what you get, when you don't have the death penalty.

[PassingStranger]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14967585/Serial-killer-Levi-Bellfield-Xbox-games-fry-prison-mansion.html

I'm sure the families of his victims don't really want to read this?

What's this all about. People on whole life sentences are meant to have the bare minimum

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Bellfield is one man in a criminal justice system. You don’t turn an entire system upside down to gratify a few depraved instincts of daily mail readers. Lock him away. As for the beatings, the poster who seems proud about her grandfather doing this stuff (assuming that is not deep level satire) is the person you want on this.

Btw, keeping someone in certain conditions of deprivation can certainly amount to torture.

I don’t give a shit whether or not you’re ashamed. Shall we draw this pointless exchange to a close now? I’m bored.

A psych ward is like that though.
Except you can be restrained and injected against your will.
I have been an inpatient, but not in prison
I have known people that have experienced both, and they preferred prison.

Depraved? For wanting a serial killer and rapist to not have fun in prison?

What’s the purpose of prison? Is it to punish offenders? Keep the rest of us safe? Or rehabilitate offenders? We need er seem very sure.

Early prisons weren’t the punishment, they were holding cells until punishment was assigned - death penalty, deportation to colonies, hard labour, whipping etc.

They did an experiment in Lincoln Prison where they deprived prisoners of all stimulation except the bible. They never got to see each other, hooded for any movement around the prison.. As well as wearing hoods they were made to stand in separate boxes in chapel where they could then remove e the hood and see only the clergy and listen to endless sermons. The aim was to rehabilitate 💯- it wasn’t seen as a punishment. But they went totally insane so the experiment was abandoned.

We don’t have to behave like evil psychopaths as society. We should be better than that. We know what locking someone in a box would do to them.

Who cares? He’s never getting out. Let’s save the cash.

For fucks sake why do people belive this rubbish constantly about luxury prisons. Prison life is horrible. I worked in one for 7 years it is never luxurious or an easy ride. It's prison. There is nothing nice about it. Most of them are banged up 23 hours a day due to staffing levels.

I cannot believe there are people equating deprivation of games consoles with torture.

So we stop caring. What then makes us any different from him in principle?

You keep glossing over the point that if he is bored and frustrated in prison, he will take it out on his fellow inmates and the staff.

The staff are not paid great. Do you not care about them at all?

It is all very well saying to keep him in a concrete cell 24/7, but the cell will need to be cleaned... he will need exercise and medical care etc.

His X-box etc is not so much a reward.. it is a way to control his behaviour. He knows it, the staff know it. But it can work, and is VITAL for the safety of everyone else in that building with him. Some one with nothing to lose is very dangerous. If they have something to lose, they react accordingly in the form of good behaviour etc.

Sounds like your grandfather had zero clue about mental health, abuse of power and that the environment he worked in was rife with safeguarding abuses and exploitation of power.

Those dates would also mean he also felt fine to beat any gay man for "causing a problem" for being in a cell? People with learning difficulties? Children who have experienced poor upbringing and trauma? People experiencing mental health crisis...? Because those are all people who would have found themselves imprisoned during that time frame.

What a thing to be proud of.

That's like saying the best way to teach children not to hit is by beating them. Or that really we should take an eye for an eye.

Don't forget that people in positions of power can be insidious as well and many would have thrived in that environment with 'sanctioned' violence to channel their own need for control and aggression. There's very good reason why we have more regulations now.

Oh come on. I know you can read and contextualize things. Try it. You might like it

If you murder someone to punish them for murder, how is that logical?

No logic whatsoever. But this thread isn’t big on logic - apparently the death penalty is analogous with abortion.

Exactly. Thats not a punishment as such, it’s getting rid of them to make us feel safer. Maybe some people think that’s ok but let’s not pretend that’s the punishment. It may punish his innocent family but that’s not right on any level.

"I’m tired of decent taxpayers being emotionally blackmailed - ‘if you don’t give me my benefits I will attack prison staff/neglect my children/harass the public/mug people’"

What utter shite.

Let's reduce benefits - leading to an increase in poverty which directly correlates to increase in crime.

Let's reduce funding for community and social services - which means reduced safeguarding staff at community level - which means more young people living in poverty entering the justice system. The boys who killed Jamie Buldger were in this category and were highly neglected and exposed to extreme and explicit material at high levels and didn't do what they did in isolation. But let's pretend that reduction in poverty and increase in community resources that prevent or intervene in neglect don't directly correlate with violent crime levels and lead to the very creation of such killers.

Let's pretend that increased poverty doesn't predispose children to exploitation such as country lines and gangs or trafficking which we know leads to crimes such as mugging.

Let's pretend that increased poverty doesn't correlate with trauma and addiction which leads to criminal behaviour and public harassment.

If it wasn't so depressing that you actually think this the irony would be laughable. But sure... let's cut benefits so we have less crime and violence. What a joke.

"Chuck him in a solitary cell where he can harm nobody. He won’t need bribes if he doesn’t come into contact with anyone"

And if he was actually innocent? As we know miscarriages of justice do happen. That still cool with you? Just collateral damage? Cool until it happens to you or someone you actually know or care about?

He can clean his own cell. It’ll give him the mental stimulation you think he deserves. What do you think it is, a hotel?

He should be getting sweet FA in prison , so he has the most miserable, boring rest of his existence.

Says who?

Where will those cleaning supplies come from? Where will any used supplies/waste go?

Well, you are showing your ignorance here. Prisons are nothing like hotels or the "mansions" that gutter press like the DM will have you believe.

Again, why are you not actually listening to the people who work in them?

Shove a soapy cloth through the hatch. Let’s not complicate this and make out Flash is a human right.

And in another note, if he becomes severely mentally unwell as a result of being kept without decent stimulation and in constant isolation- what do you think the impact would be on the prison officers dealing with that mental breakdown?

Or if you think they just should leave him in the cell and listen to that distress and watch him repeatedly attempt to kill himself in horrible ways, what do you think the impact of that would be on the prison officers who you are expecting to stand by and witness that horror?

Would you personally be OK to stand by and do that with no toll on your own mental wellbeing?

Because funnily enough if you're genuinely cool with that and it has no impact on your mental wellbeing then you actually probably meet the threshold for being sociopathic and lacking in empathy and should probably be on a watch list yourself.

Often people who are very ardent about prisoners being treated in below basic conditions or who are very pro-death penalty often aren't actually prepared to do the real dirty work themselves and don't think about the person who has to do that work and the impact on them, their family, their mental and physical wellbeing and the impact of vicarious trauma and PTSD. Because really, it's all about your own discomfort and distaste in dealing with people who have done awful things. So you just want them gone so you can be comfortable again even if that's at the expense of others. Which is really a very selfish mentality when you pick it apart. It also shows a real lack of understanding of human psychology.

You are just creating a perfect storm for MH issues. On what planet is that acceptable?

Again, why are you not actually listening to the people who work in them?

Because this is all a virtue-signaling ego rub. Look at me - I'm the MOST disgusted by that awful person.

If it wasn't then there would be genuine concern for the people expected to carry out the work these posters would have them do. And they'd realise it's not realistically feasible without risking serious and life changing harm to innocent people in the process.