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XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 21:57

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 21:54

My nan wouldn’t be guilty of kidnapping, raping, torturing and strangling a 13 year old girl. Nobody wants solitary isolation for non payment of a bill, but Levi Bellfield is the devil incarnate and deserves to rot in hell.

Your true colours suggest you’re a person who has been ‘looked after’ all their life and doesn’t know what it’s truly like to provide for the country or anyone else, only to see your trust abused via ridiculous schemes like this!

I have some sympathy for prison staff, and you seem to think you know my life.

I think you need some help for your delusions.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 21:57

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 21:56

It’s perfectly feasible.

It’s illegal…. We would lose our jobs

attacks would happen on staff even if he couldn’t get to us….

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 21:58

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2025 21:57

You’re doing nothing except displaying some disturbingly warped logic.

No, I’m showing you why you being shocked and appalled at the death penalty is no more valid or even logically different than somebody else being shocked and appalled at, for example, abortion.

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 21:58

ilovesooty · 04/08/2025 21:57

How many prisons have you been in?

Not enough Wink

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 21:58

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 21:57

It’s illegal…. We would lose our jobs

attacks would happen on staff even if he couldn’t get to us….

It should be made legal. Murderers to carry out their sentence in isolation with minimum contact with any other person.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 21:58

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 21:57

I have some sympathy for prison staff, and you seem to think you know my life.

I think you need some help for your delusions.

@XenoBitch i remember you from the other thread and wanted to say I appreciate your support.

AWitchCalledMeg · 04/08/2025 21:58

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 21:55

And I bet your grandfather could not tell the difference between someone causing a problem in cells to get a reaction, and someone with MH issues.
Often, the behaviour of the past is nothing to be proud of.

I have been in police cells for mental health reasons. Would you think it acceptable for me to be beaten?

My grandfather would never have raised a hand to a woman.

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2025 21:59

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 21:58

No, I’m showing you why you being shocked and appalled at the death penalty is no more valid or even logically different than somebody else being shocked and appalled at, for example, abortion.

And what do you think you’ve achieved? You haven’t changed my mind.

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 21:59

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 21:57

I have some sympathy for prison staff, and you seem to think you know my life.

I think you need some help for your delusions.

My delusion that a serial killer shouldn’t have a PlayStation?

bombastix · 04/08/2025 22:00

Well I salute you @XenoBitch they are dangerous, filthy and violent places. I have been once. The smell alone will stay with me forever. Prison officers have a very difficult job.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 22:00

AWitchCalledMeg · 04/08/2025 21:54

Have you never visited an old jail like Bodmin? Never seen old jail films like McVicar? There always were 'hatches' (for want of a better word). If there isn't today then there bloody should be. At the risk of sounding like a daily mail sycophant.. prisons gone 'woke'.

I work in a Victorian prison and nope, no ‘hatches’

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 22:00

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2025 21:59

And what do you think you’ve achieved? You haven’t changed my mind.

And you haven’t changed mine. Or made me feel ‘ashamed’ despite imploring me to.

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 22:00

AWitchCalledMeg · 04/08/2025 21:58

My grandfather would never have raised a hand to a woman.

But he would raise a hand to someone who is unwell and vulnerable?
That is not something to be proud of.

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 22:01

bombastix · 04/08/2025 22:00

Well I salute you @XenoBitch they are dangerous, filthy and violent places. I have been once. The smell alone will stay with me forever. Prison officers have a very difficult job.

That poster isn’t a prison officer… I would be interested to know what their job is though? Is it criminal justice related?

bombastix · 04/08/2025 22:01

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 21:58

It should be made legal. Murderers to carry out their sentence in isolation with minimum contact with any other person.

Any murderer? What if it came about that this person was wrongly convicted and you had driven them mad by isolating them? That is cruelty

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 22:02

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 22:00

But he would raise a hand to someone who is unwell and vulnerable?
That is not something to be proud of.

Bellfield is not ‘vulnerable’.

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 04/08/2025 22:03

Ashley911 · 04/08/2025 16:35

What do you think should be provided to someone in captivity ?

Books, pens and paper. Board games and cards , paints, crafts, clay. Access to television ( documentaries/ films - no explicit violence or sexual content) in communal areas if you are compliant. Radio and music - not drill /gangsta.

not an Xbox where by you can game all day and live out various fantasies and experience the adrenalin of car chases/ armed combat / world building / murdering street women / stealing cars / blowing up zombies etc
that’s far too much escapism for my liking.

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 22:03

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 21:58

@XenoBitch i remember you from the other thread and wanted to say I appreciate your support.

Thanks, I am not sure what thread that was, sorry.
I used to know a prison officer. A woman who worked in a men's prison. She was an amazing person and fiercely proud of her job.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 22:03

AWitchCalledMeg · 04/08/2025 21:46

Don't be so foolish. My grandfather was a police officer in Yorkshire 1930s-1960s. It never used to be a problem, if people in cells caused a problem they'd get a good beating with a truncheon and no food. And if you were a convicted rapist you'd get a beating anyway. Its a perverse world we live in today - evil is protected.

Edited

How am I being foolish?

it’s my daily environment …it’s not 1960?

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 22:04

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 22:02

Bellfield is not ‘vulnerable’.

You have taken my comment out of context. I am on about someone's grandfather who was a cop who saw it fine to beat the shit out of people in police cells.

ilovesooty · 04/08/2025 22:05

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 22:01

That poster isn’t a prison officer… I would be interested to know what their job is though? Is it criminal justice related?

She's already said how she found herself in a prison cell.

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 22:05

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 04/08/2025 22:03

Books, pens and paper. Board games and cards , paints, crafts, clay. Access to television ( documentaries/ films - no explicit violence or sexual content) in communal areas if you are compliant. Radio and music - not drill /gangsta.

not an Xbox where by you can game all day and live out various fantasies and experience the adrenalin of car chases/ armed combat / world building / murdering street women / stealing cars / blowing up zombies etc
that’s far too much escapism for my liking.

Edited

Sounds like a crafting and mindfulness residential workshop. How lovely for them, not having to work and that being their life.

bombastix · 04/08/2025 22:06

As if it were better in the old days when the police beat confessions out of people like Timothy Evans. These are the fantasies of people who presumably enjoy these feelings of inducing helplessness in other people.

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 22:06

bombastix · 04/08/2025 22:06

As if it were better in the old days when the police beat confessions out of people like Timothy Evans. These are the fantasies of people who presumably enjoy these feelings of inducing helplessness in other people.

Bellfield’s conviction is perfectly safe and nobody is talking about torture to obtain a confession.

XenoBitch · 04/08/2025 22:09

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 22:01

That poster isn’t a prison officer… I would be interested to know what their job is though? Is it criminal justice related?

I think PP had me confused with someone else.