300 children from Gaza to be brought to the UK for free specialist NHS care

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According to the Sunday Times. That's nearly as many beds as there are in Great Ormond Street, where the average waiting time for paediatric surgery is 15 weeks (which is fairly typical nationwide).

Why is it mysteriously possible for government to deliver these showy, headline-grabbing measures (I know we already knew it could happen from COVID policy) but not to just make systems work well in an ordinary way?

Fascinating reading:

Welcome to the United Nations: the doc is here

AHRC46NGO42050321.pdf

Nobody on here will read it because it will make most of the posters on here look like fools.

Pro Palestinian is pro semite

Well, this way you can make sure your taxes and donations go right to the source. Win! Win!

Good.

While we contribute to this bloodbath it’s
the least we can do.

I know...

Very consciously tried to find the most impartial source.

As always - don't let the facts to cloud your judgement.

These operations likely happen on consultants non NHS working days. They are capable of giving up their weekends and bank holidays to do something good to help other people. Or would you like to dictate how people spend their free time too?

Can you please share a link proving this?

Because Sky, Observer and several other news outlets explicitly said this is NHS treatment. There are other children coming here privately funded, but this is in parallel to NHS treatments.

That's not true. My brother was sat in a and e with a ruptured bowel. The hospital here in the northwest didn't have a bed for him. He sat waiting in a and e with fecal matter in his abdomen. He waited 7 hrs for surgery. Incase you didn't know this, fecal matter in the abdomen can kill. He was taken form the a and e waiting room to surgery, that was last November. My mother waited 6 weeks for urgent heart surgery, that was back in 2023. There was a story of child just last week, who btw was not white British, given racism is being thrown round let right and centre, her surgery was cancelled due to the strikes. Yet docs are working for free on kids being flow from Gaza.

The NHS is crumbling and cannot provide enough beds for the population, of all colours and creeds, already here. That's a fact. We have more medics threat win to strikeover pay. Yet they're will to work for free when it suits. How on earth can some on here not comprehend that this story is going to irritate many? If these kids need specialist treatment send the specialists to them in Egypt or other neighbouring countries. We don't have the resources to provide for the world as his dog. It's as simple as that.

And for those saying we don't have children here with serious injuries similar to war injuries..was the Manchester arena bombing a figment of my imagination then?

Here's another story for the "everyone is racist these days brigade" a mother who by the sounds of her dead sons name is of middle eastern origins, is suing the NHS because they sent her son home due to a lack of beds. He died. There's a and e departments up and down the country where wait times are 12-24hrs. With ambulances stuck outside waiting to offload patients, waiting to get back on the road. But can't die to the backlog in a and e, who's backlog is caused by a lack of available beds. And as some others have pointed out, where are their parent and siblings going to be housed? When we didn't and still don't, have the resources to house Ukrainian refugees...who btw are being offered asylum in middle eatern countries, so the notion "they'd do the same for us" is for the birds.

We're an Island where it rains most of the year, yet we import water. We have sewage being pumped into our coastline and lakes because our sewage infrastructure is failing. Many blame the water companies for this and ignore the fact our population grew by 10 million in just 20 years. We can keep helping the world. If medics want to help they can take leave and go help in hospitals in neighbouring countries. Ther are other ways to help without further straining and already stressed, on it's knees, system.

The bleeding heart lot, which seems to be the majority on here, have zero concept of how bad the situation is for our country. This is why we see resentment growing and people are getting angry. We have little resources for our own, again of all races and creeds, yet we find money and resources for people/children from far away lands.

Are any of you bleeding hearts aware of the fact the NHS has cut funding for the life saving gene altering drug for cystic fibrosis? Only the children already recieving the drug will get it now. Any child born here with cystic fibrosis from last year onwards, will not get the drug. They will be dead by the time they reach 30, 35 if they're lucky. Yet the government can spend lord knows how much bringing children here from Gaza. Is the funding for these children coming out of the foreign aid budget? Or are we going to deport some of the illegals to recoup the costs?

We are financially broke as a country. That's the facts of the matter. We cannot continue to give hand outs to the world and his dog. The oil rice nations near Gaza can do far more than what they are. Of they've taken in thousands already 300 more is a drop in the ocean.

And as I've already stated, it's amazing how doctors will work for free on these children yet they'll strike for more pay when it comes to treating British citizens...again not all of whom are white. Those who keep equating British to white are the ones who a racist, because it is you who asusm British means white.

Why would they be put on an 6+ hour flight to the UK then, in addition to X hours of getting them out of Gaza and into Egypt for the flight?

Why wouldn’t they be treated in Egypt a few miles away?

No idea why the UK is always the destination chosen. Neigboughong countries could be used but yet again the UK is chosen. If 300 kids come then parents and other siblings will come too. We areoverrun as a country. Our debts are billions yet we take on more aid.

Maybe go and speak to the parents of the children injured in the Manchester bombing then.

Hit the nail on the head. They're no in critical condition, if they were they wouldn't be out on a flight to get here. Their bodies wouldn't be able to withstand it. This is simply virtue signalling that makes Starmer look good to the do gooders. Who seem to have forgotten the terrorist incidents on our soil that let children with war like injuries. Who have also forgotten about the children who critically injured in the Southport attack. They act as if we never have critical incidents here, when there's a whole list of them that could be reeled off. From IRA attacks back in the day to Islamic terrorist attacks on our soil.

...then why don't they do that for British citizens on the never ending waiting lists? Why did they strike last year and have begun to strike again, when the issue of pay and being overworked is seemingly not an issue when they can parade around "I helped a gazan child" simply as a badge of virtue?

How did the 15 year who needed jaw/facial surgery get let out then? By your logic hamas wouldn't have let him leave...yet they did. How?

What's disgusting is the fact you're calling anyone who disagrees with racist. When no one has said white British children should come first. It seems YOU are the one who thinks that anyone against this is simply racist. Did you miss the recent story if a mother, who happens to be non white, who's child was sent home due to a lack of beds. Head he been admitted he'd have got the right treatment, instead he was sent home and then rushed back to hospital at a later time. The child was not white British. What about him? Where does he fit in your "everyone who disagrees is racist" narrative? This is an issue of resources, largely beds. We don't have enough beds so much so children are being sent home, not getting the right care, and in some instances dying due to that fact. Do you not care about those kids? Or do you only care when it makes you seem all high and mighty?

We don't have the resources to deal with the population already here, fact. Why then are we continuing to add strain to an already struggling system? And why do people like you insist on calling people racist? When there's brown and black kids dying here, who happen to be British citizens too, just like us white folk, who are not getting the treatment they need? It seems calling anyone who disagrees with you racist is the only card you have to pull. Because you know the NHS is struggling, you know people are not getting the treatment they need. Yet the NHS is going to add an additional 300 to it's caseload, who'll jump the queue. These 300 children will not be in critical condition, if they were they wouldn't be put in a plane for 6 hours. They wouldn't survive it. When you fracture an arm you're told not to fly for a duration of time to air pressure changes. If you have bypass heart surgery you're told not to fly for a duration of time. Thereis no way in hell these children are critical and in need of life saving treatment. Not if they're being out on a flight of 6 hours. It's not medically possible. It would kill them. So they are queue jumping. They will arrive and jump the waiting the list. Despite the fact they're not critical. Meanwhile who British children...of all races I might add, clearly it is you who seems to think being British simply means white this YOU are the racist...are pushed further down the waiting list.

If you're not going to acquaint yourself with the facts before spouting ignorant nonsense, you could at least rtft.🙄

If only they had all been killed instead of injured, eh? Then we wouldn't have to help these children who are probably missing limbs..never mind the trauma they have gone through with half their families wiped out. Honestly the heartlessness is unbearable, these are innocent children who are living in a WARZONE and you want to deprive them of a bit of hospital treatment?

I have not read the full thread, but I don’t know if you have answered about how A and E is a bloodbath? I’m interested as to what you mean by this.

A&E had 10 Ambulances waiting with people in them in the bays, I had to take a picture of the reg number so I could find my family member as the crew said that they would move when I went for a coffee. I then saw another area with even more Ambulances.

In another A&E locally, people wait in Ambulances, there is an inhumane “fit to sit” area as well as a portakabin full of beds. People are in corridors, with no dignity. I know people who have sat in this area in extreme pain, desperate to lie down, for hours. There are few nurses to care properly for people in these conditions.

It was like a war zone in both hospitals.

Yes this stuff seems to be getting worse. My heart goes out especially to the old or vulnerable who have no one advocating for them and who then get ‘forgotten’.

I am not sure any government in recent years has been truly willing to look at the NHS properly and make changes that will be effective for now and the future.

The Palestine issue on this thread is a distraction from the major problems we have ahead of us with UK healthcare.

Kindly? Oh come off it. Your comments are nothing but patronising.

The issue with beds in many ways isn’t an NHS issue, well not a hospital based issue.
We need to improve funding to primary care - a lot of people in A and E don’t really need to be there but cannot get a GP appointment. This is due to a shortage of GP’s not physical clinic space. We need to train more doctors (we have more than enough students making the required grades). However, there is a shortage of training spaces due to repeated years of funding so this is not a quick fix.
The other issue is linked to an extent and that is the total decimation of social care. There isn’t really a district nurse service in the way there used to be and there is a shortage of care beds (can’t get staffing). There are plenty of people stuck in hospital beds who don’t need hospital level care but can’t look after themselves yet. And rightly there are therefore not discharged. Social care comes out of council budgets which have been decimated over the past decades. Social care is where we need to look. That and primary care would improve hospitals no end. There are no quick fixes to the long term neglect though.

This is a side issue to this discussion. Of course we should take a small percentage of these children. It is the right thing to do. Just as the Home Office should be allowing in the students who have been accepted by UK universities.

I’ve had a look at the article re the Gaza children - they’re not jollying on a commercial flight with 300 children - they’re coming in ones/twos - first one for complex facial reconstruction and next 2 will be for lifelong medical issues. And, as pointed out, done privately.
I’m not sure these 3 children have or will trash the NHS waiting times.
I can’t credit people think they have minor injuries - seriously! They will actually be medivacced in ones/twos if that’s a concern. They aren’t having to stay in Spain a few days longer with a broken arm fgs - they are in a majorly seriously condition that can’t be dealt with in Gaza and medical evacuation will be sorted in these circumstances.
This sort of thing has happened before, e.g. Mala, children from other war zones, including currently Ukraine. It’s a slow process, deciding which children can benefit from U.K. treatment, getting a visa, organising medical transport, setting up treatment.
But whilst I was sad, I think many on here will be pleased to know, ministers refused to support these first 3 kids in July at first - probably because they knew their racist and vile citizens would be appalled we help seriously ill and injured children from Gaza looking at this thread.
Other countries do it, we were slow to act tbh - the article literally states Italy has taken dozens already and other western countries will have done the same. We also have joined in the similar scheme in Ukraine - what’s the difference with Ukraine and Gaza to make people so against this.
Can’t we be glad we have such good medical facilities that we can help a very few children, who barely have food even.

You hide your children from a regime when you genuinely think it is genocidal. Have you ever heard of parents willingly entrusting their children to a people they believe are committing genocide against them? Have you ever heard of a genocidal regime that is actively going out of its way, and risking the lives of its own people, to provide medical treatment to the people it is supposedly trying to exterminate?