300 children from Gaza to be brought to the UK for free specialist NHS care

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According to the Sunday Times. That's nearly as many beds as there are in Great Ormond Street, where the average waiting time for paediatric surgery is 15 weeks (which is fairly typical nationwide).

Why is it mysteriously possible for government to deliver these showy, headline-grabbing measures (I know we already knew it could happen from COVID policy) but not to just make systems work well in an ordinary way?

We deport people of 18 who have spent their entire childhoods here all the time, don’t worry. I think it’s barbaric fwiw.

This is stupid.. they get different budgets which all comes from the same place! So it doesn't make any difference. What gets spent still gets spent out of the governments pot, this is just how they try to justify because they think we are all idiots

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/08/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices

People have been saying we don’t have room for well over 125 years. We don’t appear to have crumbled yet.

Could you name a single country in the world with no homelessness or poverty? These are problems all societies have.

Foreign Aid is a vital part of global citizenship it would be profoundly shortsighted to underestimate the importance of. It’s part of our obligations as members of the UN.

That poster obviously hasnt a clue what the word fact means.

They are possibly fact resistant like many on this thread saying "other countries arent helping", despite the facts to the contrary.

Yes people were right to be saying there's no room for years because over the past few years our quality of life has deteriorated and our way of life is changing, not for the better.
Don't get me started on the UN 😂

I was completely all in for foreign aid until I shared a co-working space with someone who worked in the charity funding industry. Wow, that is eye opening and I stopped all my direct debits right there and then.

Gaza has received over $7 billion of aid from 2012 to 2021, the figures are a bit woolly. Including billions from the Palestinian Authority who paid the salaries of civil servants when Hamas took over. What did they do with that money? Built a huge and very complex secret military tunnel network under the civilian infrastructure.

its not ‘Palestine/hamas’ it is Palestine.
the children being slaughtered are Palestinian not ‘Palestine/hamas’

What a repulsive thread.

Presumably it'll be organised it in a way that limits the impact on existing services. They might not take as many as 300 children and if they do, maybe not all at once.

Have you read the article? Are you saying quality of life has declined since 1900 in the UK? Because life expectancy has literally doubled since then.

Also in many ways yes we have crumbled, have you seen alot of parts of the UK, I'm from Yorkshire and so many of our towns are like actual ghetto's, used to be thriving high streets, now just barbers and phone shops, I hate what my town has become and I see it happening more and more

No I'm talking the last 10 years or so and it shows no sign of getting better, not life expectancy, quality of life is different, we have not enough school places, doctors, dentists, housing...this leads to a decline in quality of life and will eventually lead to shorter life expectancy

I’m not sure you can pin the decline of the high street post internet on Palestine tbf

Quoting the Guardian or using them as evidence of something is about as good as providing us an article from the DM or the Sun, it's become an utter rag that can't be trusted any more.

Ok Palestine then

A lot of the wealthy arab countries don’t have the level of specialist care. If you ever wander around certain parts of Marylebone you’ll notice lots of medical offices of those countries where they manage the care of their citizens while here.

I didn't, I'm pinning it on immigration, illegal immigration to be specific, my original point was the strain on these services already being made worse by adding to it with these Palestinians needing treatment and then housing etc

And can you really genuinely not think of any reason for this other than immigration?
Did nothing at all happen from the late 70s onwards that could have caused social decay?
Did nothing happen in 2008 or 2016?
Was there no agenda from 2010 onwards to destroy public services?
Have you ever thought to have a peek at wealth distribution and inequality in the UK from the 70s onwards?
What is happening here is little if anything to do with immigration or foreign aid.

If you’d read the article you might see people for the past 125 years have been saying ‘yes but just in the last 10 years’ while in reality their living conditions (and expectations) have improved.

These Gazan kids are regularly dying from preventable diseases. That’s not something UK mothers have had to accept as standard ever- once vaccines became available our kids have had them freely available.

Engage your brain

British people will always be at the bottom of our governments priorities. Been dishing out £20Bn on aid every year for decades whilst the Labour government quite happy to vote to kill 4000 UK pensioners (their own figures) by withdrawing WFA.

Stuff British kids and their waiting times is the government's attitude...

This is a clear example of how people take something run with it change it chew it up spit it out and use no rational thought whatsoever.

You said it’s ‘not the NHS refusing to treat a student at a private school. As anyone who has ever been to a rugby fixture knows that doesn’t happen.’

I never said ‘the NHS won’t treat private school students’. Obviously.

We can’t debate when people do this. It’s a bit like the OP. As some have said, she never said these children shouldn’t be treated here. She never alluded to that. But yet. Yet. People still insist on dog whistling and projecting their pre-formed thoughts not only on a subject, but on what they imagine others think. It’s so prevalent, not only the MN pages, but all over the media. The comments sections of certain media outlets are so fcking depressing.

Sorry but I won't read an article from the guardian 😂

Perhaps get writing to your local MP if you’re (very rightly) concerned about NHS waiting lists and lack of resources due to underfunding. But I couldn’t begrudge any one of those poor children the urgent healthcare they need. I’m sure they would prefer to be at home and that their country wasn’t being bombed rather than being forcibly displaced by war and the horrific injuries sustained. The state of the NHS is a separate issue.