300 children from Gaza to be brought to the UK for free specialist NHS care

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According to the Sunday Times. That's nearly as many beds as there are in Great Ormond Street, where the average waiting time for paediatric surgery is 15 weeks (which is fairly typical nationwide).

Why is it mysteriously possible for government to deliver these showy, headline-grabbing measures (I know we already knew it could happen from COVID policy) but not to just make systems work well in an ordinary way?

Are the Arab countries offering the same treatments to the Palestinians? This is their political wheelhouse and they have the money to pay for it.

How do you think there are short or no waiting lists for private? They use NHS capacity (not beds, but doctors). Maybe this is having a bigger impact than helping some desperate children?

OMG, the Op NEVER said she begrudged sick children getting help. She asked how we can pull a rabbit out of the hat for this, when British children are being placed on waiting lists for months.

READ THE OP.

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And it’s been explained ad nauseum.

It’s not just one case. It demonstrates a local health authority policy.

That feels like a loophole though - I mean, what if an adult needed similar OT input, after a stroke or to mitigate arthritis? They wouldn't be denied if they worked in the private sector. So if this is a national thing, it does need to be addressed. Children should not be denied treatment because of where they go to school.

However, I'd like to see evidence that this is policy on a national level before I draw any conclusions.

Yes, 5000 children are being treated in Qatar, Egypt and UAE.

Yes, that’s what the op says. But it carries a clear implication that we shouldn’t help these children.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pMy8rBxRC6I

What has foreign aid ever done for anyone indeed

I think it should be sent to Iran and the Islamic Jihad, but that must be too complex for many of the posters on this thread.

Everyone saying it's not funded by NHS...if it's funded by our government it's all the same, NHS, council, police etc all little pots coming from one big pot, makes no difference which pot it comes from

No, you didn’t, that isn’t hospital care. It’s commissioned by services outside of the NHS. Often by LEAs. And yes, there are HUGE problems there. My own area refuses to recognise dyslexia as a learning need but the neighbouring one does (and we have students from both - a nightmare for our SENDCO). This story is actually a symptom of the selling off of the NHS which has already happened. That article has nothing to do with urgent or critical care.
The problem in this case is actually the break up of the NHS not the NHS refusing to treat a student at a private school. As anyone who has ever been to a rugby fixture knows that doesn’t happen.

Are the children currently waiting for orthopaedic surgery not getting it now then? Or just having to wait a little longer?

If it's going to delay surgery for a couple of weeks, I think that's fine. I've been waiting a year for shoulder surgery, and I really wouldn't mind if I had to wait longer in order to help a child.

Over 5000 Palestinians, including a significant number of children,have been evacuated for medical treatment & 80% of those went to the UAE, Jordan & Egypt. Jordan has committed to taking 2k Palestinian children for treatment. UAE committed to 1k & is well on way to hitting that number. Check your facts with Save the Children & the United Nations.

I do wonder about people criticising this. Do you hear about how many Jewish refugees arrived to UK in WW2 & think oh what a shame wish we'd helped less, we should have just let people die.
(The UK did actually not contribute hugely to refugee relocation at that time)

They aren’t denied treatment. They are denied treatment by the OT clinic which is specifically set up to work with state schools. There’s been a whole thread on this before. There is other OT treatment available.

Well , 300 more spread around the different countries won't hurt. Maybe Saudi could take some?

It goes the other way, too: I've twice had NHS surgery done in a private hospital, because there was insufficient capacity in the NHS hospital.

No, it really doesn't. You just want something to be angry about. She is asking why we can't find 300 beds for all the British children on waiting lists, when we clearly can find the beds, when push comes to shove. It's a valid question. Nowhere at all did she say that she wanted the 300 Gaza kids to not get the help.

How will they transport them here and what happens after their treatment, they just drop them off at the war zone again? I have so many questions

Yeah giving them life saving treatment in the UK will totally indoctrinate them further. Oh, hang on- perhaps it won’t and perhaps giving people a reasonable standard of living is the best defence against terrorism.

Crushing people’s core personal freedoms and right to practice their religion is the quickest way to grow terrorism, you create a bunch of people with nothing to lose.

That isn’t kind. It’s rude.

How the NHS works is that different departments have different budgets.

You have also been informed early in the thread that NHS budget is unlikely to be the main funding steam.

I can't imagine they will ever go back. They will stay here.

Rude.