To think most men wouldn’t survive a year living the life of an average woman?

[ThatRealLimeBee]

The daily grind of sexism, safety worries, juggling expectations, emotional labour… Most men have no idea. AIBU to think they’d crumble under the load if they had to swap lives with us for a year?

It was actually meant to be light hearted. There's good and bad off us all.

I know some bloody grumpy blokes and some lovely natured women. It was meant in light heartedness.

Yeah that didn’t land did it?

Brilliant!!

Bashed the kerb? "Who moved that!"

Bumped into a fixed object while reverse parking? "Stupid place to put a fence"

Tripped over himself? "These slippers are crap"

Break something? Fuming discourse on decline in manufacturing standards, logistics and ethics, both domestic and international.

I could take a leaf out of the Man Book though. My reflex is to apologise or assume I've done something wrong.

No a career is not just a job. It's not just about earning money.

I have worked on research that has actually created new treatments for sick people. I have actually changed the world through my work. When I retire or choose to do something else, sure, I will be replaced. But my discoveries, achievements, impact on peoples lives I've never even met, sick people I've saved, the letters after my name, they will all still be there. They're permanent, I earned them and I'm damned proud of them.

The fact that you can't understand any of those things shows how blinkered your little life is and why you think cleaning radiators is equal and a valid 'profession'. And what's worse, you want to take away the opportunity to achieve these things for other women once they become mothers. Disgusting.

You can't understand satire can you.

My mother is my hero!

She raised me on her own whilst also studying for her degree then worked full time as a specialist surgical nurse saving children's lives whilst also being an amazing mum. I thrived at nursery while she worked learning social skills and confidence and independence. I was ahead of all the other children in reading when I started reception. Nursery did me no harm. She lifted us out of poverty and taught me work ethic, determination and grit. She's a force of nature and I've always been in awe of her.

You want to stop women like her excelling and keep them trapped in poverty by removing their child care provision. I doubt all the children she saved and their parents would want her stuck at home unable to use her skills either. Disgusting.

Is this for women who cant wake up in the woman without blaming hormones for their bad mood or theot unreasonable behaviour 'i am not to blame its not my fault i act badly' not all woman act like this and not all men across badly, i know lots of examples of men just getting on with things where women cant cope and the reverse, but I still cant understand if men are so terrible why women are desperate to have one, keep one and go to pieces when a man leaves them.

How much of women's lives is spent complaining how badly men are but they need one to earn so they can stay home and have babies? So i presume they have their uses

No woman needs a man it just seems like they spend their whole life desperate for their attention, but again not all woman

Agreed.

I taught some of the most vulnerable children in my area. Much of the time, alongside educating them, that involved feeding them, cleaning them, and keeping them safe when their parents were not.

I taught school refusers, encouraged them back into the education system, and prevented many of them from engaging in youth offending.

I now am a senior manager in a business that specialises in providing schools with 1:1 and bespoke education for children who otherwise would be unable to learn. Without our input, there would be children with real significant need, completely out of education and parents completely unable to work, because there’d be nowhere for their kids to be.

My staff keep vulnerable and hard to reach children safe, clean, and able to develop both socially and academically.

Pardon me for thinking that’s more important and valuable than whether I’ve cleaned my radiators (spoiler - I have.)

Completely agree.
In my early career I worked with young people in some of the most deprived areas of the UK supporting them into university and work. Many of which had grown up in families where generational unemployment and poverty was the norm.
Since becoming a mother I’ve become a university academic and completed a PhD. My research has contributed to improving educational and employment outcomes for young people.
I’m immensely proud of my career and it is a huge part of my identity. I’m not ashamed of that.

Men aren’t all terrible, some of them are, and we’re not desperate to have them.

The men who are emotionally stunted, tend to also have parents (usually mothers) who treat them like a precious little boy who needs constant support. Refusing to mother them either makes them grow up, or means you end up separating. Good, nobody needs a man baby.

Lots of us aren’t desperate for male attention either.

Relationships, on both sides of the sex divide, work best when the partner is around because you want them and not need them. I could leave my partner tomorrow, and he’d absolutely survive. He doesn’t need me either.

How many women put men before their children, and how many threads on here alone are by women who i would say are desperate for a man, their money, for sex, for a replacement father maybe it is for attention, some feel their life is over if they dont have one, some crave their approval we see it daily

Maybe this place just attracts women like this as the woman I know in normal life are just normal average woman, meant in a good way, who just get on woth life.

The relationships I know that work both of the couple have similar intelligence levels and have their own interests and dont need each other they are their own people and work together to make it work

Why is women being bread winners doomed to fail? Are they less capable than men? Or do men just not like being powerless like women who rely on their husbands are so are going to complain a lot?

This post is the cherry on top of all of your other misogynistic views. You write like a man who is pretending to be a woman and is modelling the good little wifey he thinks women should be. It's quite hilarious you had the lack of self awareness to call someone else deeply misogynistic, that's exactly what you are! You should be ashamed of yourself the way you want to hold women down.

Wait, I've only just clocked you thing grandmothers shouldn't have to work either!? So having a child exempts you from work for life!? Fucking hell!

It makes zero sense that you're happy for women to claim as many benefits as they need to stay at home with their children and the government should support them to do so if they can't afford it but the government shouldn't support them to work. You said you don't judge people for being on benefits at all and no one should have to work if they don't want to. But you sure as he judge people for working and needing help. The total failure of logic shows it's not about money at all, it's about ideology.

If you cared about the state of the countries finances at all you'd pay some fucking tax but you don't, you're just workshy. It shines like a beacon from all your anti work rhetoric and the way you keep banging on about 'freedom' and the government not wanting people to wise up to not having to work.

Grandparents already do plenty of childcare. They are preferable to nurseries, so yes, I believe the government needs to either keep it’s nose entirely out of childcare (parents need to look after their own kids or pay for it) or it needs to treat everyone fairly. All parents should receive the same (to cover themselves or grandparents as much as nurseries or childminders). The government is actively promoting and encouraging the least beneficial care for under 2s, that is a choice not a necessity, and it is morally wrong. There are other choices it could promote.

I’m far from workshy, I looked after my own young children for years with zero help, I certainly wasn’t acting like many people I know and would actually define as workshy, the type who constantly whinge on about ‘needing a break’ from their kids (honestly, get a grip!) despite often having 2 sets of GPs running around after them like big babies, not just so they could work, but so they could go to the gym/beauty appointments, yadda yadda yadda. The amount on Mumsnet who cannot cope with baby 2 and the older sibling at home and pack the older one off to nursery whilst on mat leave- pathetic!!! I’m amazed at how few people can actually hack spending any decent amount of time with their own children! I have friends who barely see their own children, and it is nothing to be proud of.

Ha and people judge housewives for being ‘dependent’- the ‘dependency’ of so many so called ‘independent’ women on their own parents is off the chart- grow up! I wouldn’t dream of treating my mother like that, nor would my DH. We look after our own children, I’m not a child.

Oh and a bit of free life advice- you can be as shouty and sweary as you like in your posts, but out in the real world being ‘offended’ doesn’t make you right, and other people are free to disagree with you.

And those of us that don’t have help from grandparents? Where does that leave us?

I don’t think you fully comprehend the importance of subsidised childcare on women’s lives.

Women do tend to be more resilient and better able to cope with what are really just normal challenges.

Until they need to change a tyre. 🤣

OK, I'm taking the piss but a lot of my mates wouldn't be able to do something simple like this. I doubt they'd even know what a jack point is tbh. I don't think either sex have it easier really. People always focus on the perks. All the male CEOs. Nobody is fighting for an equal number of female bin operatives.

Men have no doubt 'taken control' at many points over history, which has no doubt shaped our society. But somebody had to stop Hitler and men are better equipped for fighting. It's pretty irrelevant to me that Hitler was a man. Most men aren't like Hitler.

HAHAHA!! You want the government to pay you to look after your own child!?! I've heard it all now!! 😂 The government subsidise childcare to protect womens rights and because they need our skills to run industries and our tax to pay for people who can't work to be looked after. Not because the government pays per child 🙄 You're already being subsidised by receiving NHS care and a state pension without paying any tax what more do you want!?

YOU believe nurseries are morally wrong. Thankfully the majority of the UK aren't thick enough to vote reform so you and Nigel won't be sending anyone back to the kitchen sweetie 😘

Reform’s policies on the family are outstanding. They are the only ones speaking up for the choices of lower income families. They propose raising the current personal threshold to £20K, lifting the 2 child benefit cap and ensuring the first £25K of one party within a marriage is not taxed, to make it financially easier for families to have children and to reflect and respect their greater responsibilities.

Like with the Brexit vote, it would be naive to underestimate how popular these policies are. People naively assume people are only voting for Reform because of immigration, and that is grossly inaccurate. They have other policies, such as their family ones, which quite frankly are a refreshing change.

And just like the Brexit vote, reform is making all sorts of promises it's got absolutely no ability to follow through on.

You are completely right!

but I wonder if men would get sucked in if they were judged by the same standards as women? No one expects a guy to do these things, but imagine the weight of judgement if you don’t do it as a woman?

we definitely have more social pressure. We don’t need to act on it, but it is constant

What a brilliant question

Society pressure from where? If it is friends or relatives no one has to match them, surely woman are intelligent enough to not rely on social media how to live life? TV and magazines just because other people do it or ads say we have too doesn't mean we do

So again pressure from where? And does this mean men have more brains than us?

You only have to read threads on here where women are demonised as disgusting because they only wash their sheets every two weeks, or the competitive Christmas threads, or the one salad leaf does me a fortnight threads to see where the pressure comes from.

She does understand.

She just doesn't care because she thinks it's immoral for mothers to have their own ambitions.