To think most men wouldn’t survive a year living the life of an average woman?

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The daily grind of sexism, safety worries, juggling expectations, emotional labour… Most men have no idea. AIBU to think they’d crumble under the load if they had to swap lives with us for a year?

reminds me of a certain poster completely outraged by SAHM who was ranting and abusing them, until someone on the thread posted a couple of threads started to ask for help about her job who was making her so miserable.

I wish I could find the right keyword to dig it out, it was classic

Their husband's might be paying for their house and bills and the food they eat but they are certainly not paying for everything they take from the state.
most people aren't, how is that relevant

It's relevant because it's the point I've been trying to make to you for three fucking pages. People just deciding not to work does affect me, which is apparently your prerequisite for having an opinion, because too many people taking without paying in is the reason our public services are so stretched and our welfare state is fucked. Paying in some but not enough is better than paying in nothing obviously.

It's like banging my head against a brick wall.

As for lacking comprehension, can you not understand that you have been arguing with at least four different people all afternoon because they don't agree with you? Jesus wept.

'Drastically falling birthrate' isn't necessarily an issue when the world is already massively overpopulated and infrastructure creaking under the pressure. If you look at the attached graph you'll see how drastically the human population had exploded over the past century or so.

The huge number of elderly needing cared for is a genuine issue but increasing the population to deal with it is kind of like taking out new debt to pay existing debt.

Where has Nigel stated that? All of the governmental financial support in the form of free hours is currently to entice both parents to work so each household pays double the tax. Do you genuinely believe that any politician really cares about what is best for families or children? Of course they don’t, just what lines their own pockets. My family doesn’t wish to support that.

All Nigel is saying is that SAHPs also have a right to make that choice and be much better support by the government than they currently are, and to ensure others are not completely priced out of that choice. That’s actually already the norm in many other countries, and used to be better here not that long ago actually.

Try reading what their policies on families and children actually say.

Yep. We certainly don't need more babies. Especially not when immigration is still driving population growth and they're having lots of babies too. I suspect they're the wrong kind of babies for a reform voter though.

thankfully in real life you can be a productive member of society without having a payslip just for the sake of a payslip.

if we all just stayed home and tended our children undistracted the world would stop turning would it now? 😂
I don't think women should or should not stay home, their choice, but you are being beyond ridiculous.

If you take all the mothers out of the workforce and sne them home everything would collapse.
Not all women are mothers for a start, and not all women want to stay home, so we are safe.

Many jobs, done by male or female, are not that essentials anyway.

If you put all the mothers back at work, and somehow manage to create enough available childcare somehow, you are also removing all the volunteers and things won't work as smoothly as you think they would.

What's next? You are going to whinge that my year maternity leave PER CHILD was too long?

Well for many women having a baby still remains their number 1 priority in life, so tough! Babies will always be wanted and born. You have zero say in the matter, what a cheek!

I don’t think anyone is planning on banning babies, tbh.

You haven't said what's the minimum acceptable salary/ income for an adult to constitute "paying for everything they take".

People just deciding not to work does affect me
they really don't.

Paying in some but not enough is better than paying in nothing obviously.
so 2 adults earning £25k each, and paying tax accordingly is "better" than a single individual earning £150k and paying for his family? Really? How does that work?

I am still waiting for you to tell us what acceptable salary constitute an acceptable contribution to society.

Agree about the rising numbers of elderly needing care- many of their needs are currently being met by economically inactive, FT, unpaid round the clock carers who save our economy an absolute fortune!

How do women actually add to/skew those figures? I don't think I understand.

It does make you wonder sometimes on here 😂

Don’t we all already know the optimum salary for “paying for what you take,” it’s being a net contributor.

The most recent figure was £41k. Obviously that is the average it would require, as we all use different amounts of state resources. But the official figure is £41k.

What's next? You are going to whinge that my year maternity leave PER CHILD was too long?

Obviously not. You sound like a petulant child.

They delegate a lot to women in he workplace too.

WTF… why do you get so offended and assume people are trying to stop women having children? Your reactions are so bizarre.

The post referred to a study that concluded that women shoulder the responsibility of unpaid work.

If a person is a SAHM (specifically, because that study referred to women shoulder the responsibilities), then they are carrying the unpaid labour in their home. Which then would be adding to the figures that conclusion was derived from.

As I said, the only way to change the results of that study is for women to not carry more of the unpaid labour involved with running their homes.

Yes, I’ve noticed that women who are most resentful of one spouse outsourcing to the other often negate to discuss the amount they outsource themselves to other, usually poorer, women.

I personally think they would like a SAHW themselves!!!

Some women actually enjoy the work involved in running their own home. Some don’t believe they could outsource any of the work entailed to anyone who could do the job better with such love or pride. My poor friend has just sacked her dishonest, lazy cleaner…she would never have set one foot in my house in the first place.

Nothing, in my case.

No cleaner, gardener, window cleaner or nanny. We used a nursery for 2 days per week, but paid for it.

There are no other women (or men) cleaning my house or doing my laundry.

Because I detest the current media rhetoric around babies being ‘burdens’ and ‘barriers’ to careers, they are human beings they are talking about! Beyond sad and appalling.

You really should read about all the City women, Wall street women with stay-at-home husbands. There are plenty of articles online.

I think Helena Morrissey even published a book, and she's not the only one.

Now that's a valid contribution to society and a big step in the right direction for women, instead of resenting those who find interests in life without needing a job title.

So hang on, you were at home 5 days out of 7 with your children? 2 days isn’t much at Nursery- perhaps you do prioritise your time at home more than your career after all?! I’m confused 😂

Do you have any links to this media referring to children as burdens?

Same here.
We use a small amount of wraparound care but those are after school clubs DS would attend regardless of our need for childcare.