To wish Scottish nationalists would just bloody drop it

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How can they have learned nothing from Brexit? Why don't people understand the precious value of stability and safe supply chains?

Re this: www.heraldscotland.com/news/25355082.rebels-plot-secret-meeting-perth-prior-snp-conference/

Well, presumably an independent Scotland could join the EU?

What, just like that?🙄

YANBU.

I am Scottish, live in Scotland, always have done. We are sick to the back teeth of them too, especially as the SNP have presided over such massive fuck ups over recent years.

No they haven't learned anything from Brexit and even if they have, they don't care. They truly see themselves as freedom fighters, saving the pure, saintly and simply better people who live up here from the nasty, evil English who hate us all and are actively planning to make our lives worse. (Sorry Wales and N Ireland you don't get a look in, it's all about West-monster).

They do love to bang on about how they can rejoin the EU in 5 seconds flat and shout down anyone who points out that it's not quite that simple. Details, details.

Unlikely for two reasons. Firstly they have to prove their financial stability with their pen currency after departing. Secondly, it might stoke Catalonian and other independence movements across the EU.

But would have a hard Customs Border at Berwick.

People would get used to it but life will be so shit through the transition.

Totally agree with OP
We had a vote,and the answer was No
SNP are making a total arse of running the country
I don’t think anyone truly believes Scotland would be anything but much worse off if independent,although some of the Nats think that is a price worth paying
I look at my children and vehemently disagree

50% of the electirate don't want to drop it.

Oh, YABU. Let’s hope they have another referendum and vote Yes this time. Then the rest of us can stop having to listen to them moaning whilst taking more money per capita than we have out of our coffers.

Have the SNP or other independents ever produced a financial demonstration of how roughly 4 million people could fund all the public services , especially Health? ( and that assumes the 4 million are all in work ).

Why should they drop it? We left the EU with 52% of the vote which was an utterly brain dead decision, but nevertheless a democratic one. For better or worse Scotland will eventually leave the UK with a similar marginal outcome, just a question of when.

Pretty silly comment. Scotland has almost exactly the same population as Ireland, which believe it or not is an independent nation (and only a small leap away). A tad bigger in fact.

Is the new plan to let the whole of UK take a vote on Scottish independence? Let the SNP trot round campaigning and that would get the job done.

There is no demand for this. A large numbers of their supporters just aren't interested in that level of detail. They are more interested in the concept and idea of being a separate country and will leave the actual sorting it out to other people. We saw that on the last referendum where there was widespread misunderstandings about basic issues such as what currency would be used.

Only this week there were reports about the disability benefits system saying that 1 in 8 in Scotland are receiving adult disability payments. I'm not quite sure how the SNP think it's all going to be paid for, last time round it was all based on oil revenues apparently but really, they are not interested in providing independent costings, produced by non-SNP staffers.

Ireland also has a considerably smaller state than Scotland. Will Scottish people wear a big cut to benefits, paying for hospital attendance, paying for domestic bin collections, school jotters for kids?

And that's before you get into the fact that Scotland doesn't have a Billy big balls international benefactor like Ireland does.

I mean, long term Scotland would obviously be fine. There are plenty of successful smaller countries, many of which are not as rich in natural resources as Scotland (and no I don't mean oil). Whether it's worth the inevitably bumpy transition is another thing.

The main question is whether people want to go back to being separate, and both opinions are valid. I think it's fine for people to talk about it, so long as life goes on at the same time.

They should drop it because people are dying in ambulances waiting to be seen in A and E. They have a lot of money and a lot of levers but they also don't have the wit to make any arguments beyond "independence good!". Which is a worry for what they'd do afterwards. Dundee independence good?

But they are the Scottish National Party - agree or not with them that’s their thing! They are nationalists and main aim is to promote independence. It wouldn’t be a case of skipping back in to the EU but you can’t just dismiss things because it wouldn’t be easy/practical. That’s not ambition and the SNPs ambition is to have an independent Scotland and presumably be part of the EU (since Scots did not vote to leave). It’s not a case of tried it didn’t work, that’s their whole motivation. They wouldn’t be a great nationalist party if they didn’t work towards independence. And remember, independence isn’t weird, it’s actually pretty normal!

Oh my Godding Christ there is no more annoying catchphrase than "independence is normal". Having to worry about where your next meal is coming from is also "normal" shall we go for that too?

Of course you are being unreasonable to expect them not to strive for their main objective.

I assume you’re a Scot who believes in the Union? In other words, one of the few who care about this now.

I presume you're an English person who is hugely ignorant about the effect Scottish seccession will have on your investments, savings and cost of living. One thing I can sympathise with is the insufferable smugness of the little Englander brain. "How can this affect me for I have a whole EMPIRE at my back oh no wait."

Like it or not they keep getting voted in so of course they have a mandate to keep at it. Whether or not there is actually still a strong appetite for it in Scotland’s a different matter. Should be interesting to see what happens in next year’s election.

I think Scotland would be great as an independent country. I think it has natural resources, small population and exports stuff and it really is up to them, not me.

I dont want them to leave the union (I'm sort of english. Moved here as a child) because I do actually buy the 'stronger together' stuff on an international front, defences. And I think all the trade borders are a pain.

Scotland costs us more than the tax take.
Let them leave.