To wish Scottish nationalists would just bloody drop it

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How can they have learned nothing from Brexit? Why don't people understand the precious value of stability and safe supply chains?

Re this: www.heraldscotland.com/news/25355082.rebels-plot-secret-meeting-perth-prior-snp-conference/

I don't doubt that.

However, as to how Scotland would be financially affected too, how much of the pro-indy projections are based on the value of Scotland's oil, considering that oil has now very sharply declined in popularity, with many countries and organisations actively planning on doing without it (or at least using it far more minimally)?

Also, I remember back in 2014, several massive UK-wide financial institutions that are based in Scotland and actively boost the Scottish economy said they would be shifting to London, if Scotland left the UK.

Yes. As I said, they’ll never drop it.

It’s like asking the Greens to drop any of their environmental agenda!

Tbf they pretty much have. They seem consumed by trans and net zero - and net zero, in the form of wind farms, mega pylons etc, is having a distinctly negative environmental impact on the rural Highlands.

Indeed, there's absolutely no consensus within EU that they'd be admitted.
The Spanish are dead against it, as they don't want to set precedence for Catalunya.

I'm English, so I wouldn't be worst affected; but if Scotland did leave, I wonder what that would mean for Wales and NI.

The UK is obviously already dominated by England - with having approx. 85% of the population - so if the second largest nation left, that would bump England up to over 90% of the combined population, thus further marginalising the remaining two far smaller nations.

I wonder if that might then have the effect of boosting support for a united Ireland?

Not that any of that would be Scotland's problem, of course!

Hard agree. I voted no last time, with some reservations. Sturgeon and her flying gender monkeys have put paid to any doubts I had. I do not want to live in wackyland thank you very much, I want serious government and proper adults making decisions.

To preempt the 'we wouldn't need to have an SNP government' I ask (many times) - who will we have? The fabulous sensible party who are waiting until indy to show themselves? Look at the fucking ferries. Scots are no better at running a country than anyone blimmin else.

They ran the numbers before once the debts and assets were sorted we would all be worse off EU said the last time they didn't want Scotland why not just get on with making everyone's lives better

I support Scottish independence. I recognise a decision was made in 2014 which was for a generation and in my opinion the wrong one. For a generation to me is at least 20 years.

Notable how the leader of Plaid Cymru has ruled out asking for a referendum during the next term of the Senedd. Quite rightly he wants to demonstrate that Plaid can run things better than Labour have done.

The SNP for me is the best argument against Scottish independence, given how poor they have been in running things.

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We have every right to continue our fight for the return of our sovereignty, and we won't stop until we get it. Putting aside that we have every right to have a government of our own, instead of one our neighbours vote for, the state of the UK is only going in one direction. There's no stability, hasn't been for decades, and won't be in the future.
Scotland has every right to abandon the sinking ship, that has ALWAYS captained by England.

I take it you've ignored the chaos from Westminster (which is 92% non-Scottish), over the last several years? No, actually the last several centuries. But yes, focus on the SNP's performance, while the Scottish government has its wrist handcuffed to a chaotic government formed by the electorate of another country.

I doubt they'd meet the criteria

That vote was 11 years ago, a lot has changed, and against the will of the Scottish electorate. And the polls now consistently show support for the union, to be below 50%. It's declining by about 1% per year. Even YouGov, the friendliest union pollster on this question, could only find 47% support for the union. Time Scotland abandoned the sinking ship and took control over governing Scotland, free from Westminster's violations.

Maybe they want to join the EU and don’t want the rest of the UK holding them back.

Independence is normal. Sorry if Scotland having full access to democracy and a government accountable to our country, offends you.

Can we have a vote on English independence, here in Scotland?

Couldn’t agree more. I hate what they’ve done to us. There finished up here.

One of the most powerful arguments for staying in the union was EU membership as Spain probably would block Scotland joining.

Now, thanks to the Tories, that's been taken from Scotland. Such a big fundamental change does make the Scottish referendum worth rerunning. See if they've changed their minds

I wish they'd get it and Wales along with them.

Honestly no one would care.

Have you seen the way the English dominated Westminster's been run since the 70s? Poor public services, crime figures, poverty, corruption, foreign wars, rising personal and national debt, and so on.

By your logic, the UK shouldn't be independent, and they need a larger more apt entity governing it.

A fundamental change to the make up of the UK and "no one would care"?

That's quite the take on it

Great.
Such a shame that England controls Westminster, and Westminster has taken the Scottish government to court, to have it made law that we need Westminster's permission to hold a referendum. Even Farage who hates Scotland, is nevertheless a staunch unionist. Baffling, since we're parasitic satellite countries, feasting on the English teet.

London generates 27% of the entire countries wealth via tax.

Id quite like Wales and Scotland to be deprived of the wealth England generates. only because they keep telling us how much they hate us. Off you sod then...

As an English person I really hope Scotland does stay in the Union - for as long as it takes for us all to return to the EU and then for a federal Europe to emerge. Which is what I very much hope happens.

I do also think it is in Scotland’s best interests but everyone - especially Scots - are entitled to a different opinion.

Far from “learning the lessons of Brexit” as a reason to stay, however, I would see Brexit as a reason for Scots to think they can never trust Westminster again. The “no” campaign for the Scottish referendum was fought specifically on the basis that the UK would continue to be an EU member, so it made no sense for Scotland to leave and get less favourable terms (if any membership). Then they were torn from the EU against their express wishes.

If I were Scottish I’d be so angry about this! (I’m angry anyway)

"They're finished up here"
Yet they're on track to win the next Scottish and the next Westminster election. English Labour's cratering support. And support for staying in the union has never been lower than it now is.

This!

It should clearly have been made a prerequisite of the Brexit referendum that each of the UK nations must vote to leave for it to happen, and Scotland requested this, but was told it didn’t matter as it was advisory only.

Then as soon as the vote was over it was suddenly “Brexit means Brexit”. Insane!