Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

Did I say that it was a government job? I

No. The poster you were replying to did. You seemed rather upset by the notion of it being a government job, so I thought you might not realise the actual truth.

I agree @LavenderHaze19 . I am not down on Indians most of whom
i am sure are hard working and honest. But arguably more likely to import their culture, stay and marry within their community over generations than Poles, Italians or Latvians would have been until we barred them.

Young males from conservative cultures are not ideally suited to this.

Only thick racists could get upset about their children learning about other religions and cultures.

Catering managers? Please tell me this is a joke. My son left catering college in Sep last year with a L3 qualification. The next step should be an entry level kitchen position where he'll work his way up. Unfortunately, he & most of his cohort are still looking for work because entry level positions barely exist anymore. They're now minimum wage jobs filled by low skilled immigrants who will sit in that role, with UC top ups, child benefit, health care etc provided. I appreciate it's much more convenient for the employer - no training obligation, no pay rises, less supervision..... but it's an incredibly unfair & unsustainable situation, we need to invest in future generations if we want skilled workers. It's also another situation that the privileged will never be affected by, so it's waved away as if it's not happening. It feels like gaslighting on a grand scale.

You're so wrong on this. Just 27k health and care visas were issued in the last year. That includes care home workers, doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals.

Are you dense? "British born" people have been complaining for years that they cant get work you think everyone is lying or "playing the system" they arnt they just cant compete with people willing to do all the scattered shifts because they need regular work at set times so they can arrange childcare people who have no responsibility can literally work anything that's a big advantage

Most poor immigrants spend near to nothing in this country to send money back to their families in foreign countries. They also rather deliveroo and Amazon jobs as soon as they can because shocking revelation no one wants to wipe old people arses.

We have plenty of unemployed Dr's that we have trained we dont need to bring them in

https://eachother.org.uk/iraqi-man-who-brought-baby-niece-into-uk-for-medical-care-wins-reprieve-from-deportation/

How would the Daily Mail headline this story?
Nothing in that paper can be trusted on asylum or migration. I'm glad this man wasn't deported. He shouldn't even have been prosectued in the first place.

No they are not too lazy!! In my area 90+% of care workers are white British. You can keep defending low pay, crap hours etc, cos some poor immigrant will do it. When I worked in community care I wasnt even paid a petrol allowance so effectively was earning less than minimal wage, once transport costs were taken into account. I'd be out from 6 in the morning til gone 10 at night 6 days a week. My rota could change an hour before I was due to finish if other staff failed to turn up, so making plans was impossible. But you would rather it stayed like that than have carers paid what they're worth, and then accuse people who, for many reasons, can't accept those working conditions, of laziness.

Could you provide sources?
When you go to hospital, I hope you say that you only want to be treated by healthcare workers whose ancestors were were on this island before the Norman Conquest!

Care work being poorly rewarded when it is physically and emotionally demanding might be the issue here rather than immigration. And let’s not get into ‘but we can’t afford to pay them more’ because the overwhelming amount of care homes that are run for the benefit of shareholders rather than the people they care for is absolutely the issue here. It’s disgusting.

Really? I mean almost all civil war conflicts are rooted in ethnic or religious conflict arising from some movement of people in to that land.

Scottish immigration in to Northern Ireland.
Haiti uprising where even their French liberal mostly middle class allies were massacred, although that could be called an uprising against a colonial power - they still massacred French men, women and their children who actually stood by them and allied with them.
Jordanian civil war against the Palestinians they allowed refuge a year prior but demanded a state within a state.

There are too many examples of how mass movement of people in to a nation causes violent conflict, history is filled with it!

Its unsustainable for any nation to have such massive immigration especially in an economic downturn, if you believe otherwise then you clearly have a bias.

No they are not too lazy!! In my area 90+% of care workers are white British. You can keep defending low pay, crap hours etc, cos some poor immigrant will do it. When I worked in community care I wasnt even paid a petrol allowance so effectively was earning less than minimal wage, once transport costs were taken into account. I'd be out from 6 in the morning til gone 10 at night 6 days a week. My rota could change an hour before I was due to finish if other staff failed to turn up, so making plans was impossible. But you would rather it stayed like that than have carers paid what they're worth, and then accuse people who, for many reasons, can't accept those working conditions, of laziness.

Oh, look. Mumsnet posters are experts on immigration demographics. Who knew..?

Then you should be asking why care home workers aren't paid a wage that enables them to save into a pension. Or are you suggesting we don't actually need care home workers?

Yawn. Reform Central on the late shift?

I work in translation services and my main work is supporting immigrants with benefits. They seem to go onto and stay on benefits for life. They can hardly speak English and apply for jobs they know they cannot do, meaning they never get offered a job. They all seem to get a free house much quicker than non immigrants because of their status. No hate here, they're perfectly nice and polite to me. Just seems to be a pattern and most of the ones I support said they come here for a free house and benefits. Half of them are in the process of bringing their wife then parents over who don't ever work (because housewives and elderly don't work). I'm paid al ot of money to Interpret full time, because there's so many of them.

The NHS currently has around 10,000 vacancies for doctors.

Hardly a niche view though. That's the future, looking at the polls!

Yes and it’s also nothing new. I learnt about other religions and cultures in my very rural, very white school in the 80s, I’m sure most of us did - it’s been on the curriculum for decades. Bringing it to life for children by having a celebration on the relevant day is just more fun.

We need to lure the doctors over from poorer countries so the people that live there don't get the benefit from them. Very much like Australia and Canada etc are doing allegedly to our doctors.

Waving to Nigel (again)