Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

My experience has been the opposite

We have 987,000 NEETS in this country (young people 16 to 24 not in education, employment or training), up 100,000 from last year. See Office for National Statistics.

Some may think that bringing in people from abroad to fill low paid vacancies while paying out of work benefits to young people is perfectly reasonable.

But our young people need to be working for their own sake and everyone else's. The govt needs to find a way to make this happen, because the present setup is a disaster.

Yeah but why let facts ruin a 'good argument'?

Your dogged determination that x = y, your commitment to numbers, overlooks the fact that care work is a vocation and skilled, and just taking this person on benefits here and putting them in a care home role would not, in fact, lead to healthier outcomes for those that need them.

Yeah facts, those pesky darn facts. Ooh and the dogged determination. How dare anyone exercise attention to facts and rationale. Let’s all just regurgitate soundbites and half baked sheltered opinion.

And…..Ah so benefits claimants here are uncaring people. As well as being a financial load on society, they are also horrible people who could not be trusted to care for people.

Here we go people. Thats a new argument. Who says that lefties don’t benefit bash.

Indeed. I doubt that poster would have "clarified" of their own accord.

Nobody is suggested that they are a horrible person for not wanting to do care work.
But that care work is highly skilled and under paid and there is an element of vocation.

So if we want more people to go in to the sector we will need to pay more and offer better incentives. I would back this.

And cutting benefits and lowering low skilled migration would achieve that. Great, we all agree. Job done.

And care workers should be paid accordingly.

This is certainly not factual information, please stop parading your ignorance like a badge of honour.
Just imagine what would happen to the uk if all those immigrant workers you’re talking about decided to leave and go back to their home countries in one single day? My guess is the county would shut down. Stop minimising the important contribution that migrant workers are bringing to our UK society and Economy.

Because it’s underpaid, because of big care home businesses being able to import migrant workers who accept a lower pay than British people would.

If there's a shortage of workers in a sector, then adjustments should be made to increase recruitment and retention.

Yes, the unemployed could work, with training and support they could fill those vacancies. Why have we written them off?

Hard agree. And all the posters on here railing against OP and taking the piss should look at how many people agree with her. Mumsnet is a left leaning site too.

If more than 400,000 are international students with a study visa, should they really be counted? They will be paying vast sums to UK Universities as International Students to complete degree or masters courses, which are temporary in nature lasting 1 to 4 years.

So am I!!! Well, partly. So no need to slag us off by saying we are hygge racists.

That will soon change. Unemployment is rising.

I don’t trust any threat where the OP makes a bold opening statement assuming numbers which are not backed up by evidence. I can’t be arsed to research this one but I have for a few of these, and they are inevitably bullshit. Do better, Reform.

You’ve chosen the wrong one not to look up, it’s recent news.

This is the kid of nonsense post which has no meaning. It’s just a collection of words barely strung together to resemble a sentence, but doesn’t mean anything.

Immigrants don’t make a contribution, anymore than anyone else already here. They are engaged in a transactional relationship just like everyone else. These are not doctors without borders. They have come over for economic reasons and most are remitting billions back to their homeland. That’s money that’s not being spent in this country. So if anything, the UK is a making contribution to their families back in their countries. The hard of thinking will cry ‘oi racist’ because they struggle with the most basic concepts. But this is just a simple fact.

There is no shortage of people wanting to come and work here from abroad. So stop with the nonsense platitudes and focus on facts. Immigration is making the country poorer through incoming net takers, a high welfare dependent population already here, tanking productivity and decking GDP per capita.

The statistics of OPs statement were correct. Birth rates make up a tiny proportion of this. Disagree or agree with immigration, your comment was lazy and equally as ideologically driven as a reform voter.

The key bit for me here is we built a shade over 100k houses last year. If we bring in 800k people then rents are going up and up. Regardless of the concrete over the countryside argument with all these new houses, do we really want to price all young people out of a home by bring in far more people than houses we build?

Yes agree.

Also, on a separate note I would like to point out that a lot of people are saying that the majority of immigrants are on a temporary basis, the vast majority of them will apply to stay longer and so on once their temporary status has ended.

@EasternStandard my point remains.

Controversial, but do we think care work is really skilled? I suppose it depends on the level, general support v. nursing, but..... we have had live in carers, and care home situations. The work is hard, and sometimes demanding, old folk can be tricky, but mostly it is cleaning, feeding, company. We have had many nationalities, and they have all been fab, but it doesn't need a high level of education, and pretty much anyone can do it...... The issue is more of a case that no-one wants to, because we (in the UK) don't have much of a culture of looking after our elderly.

Are you excluding care for the disabled? Because I can assure you that does require skill.

The issue is pay.

Well no as it’s a recent stat release. By all means avoid anything on the topic but the op didn’t make it up.