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To not want to look after my daughter any more

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Goaheadflameme · 27/07/2025 17:58

My daughter is 8. She is recently diagnosed with autism. No problems at school but a nightmare at home.

Predictably, being out of the school routine has made her challenging behaviour more challenging. She regularly tells me she hates me, wishes I was dead, that things would be better without me. Everytime
I say something she mocks me. She won’t do anything she is told and consequences are meaningless as she just doesn’t care. Today she has also thrown food round the living room and when I tried to stop this she has violently attacked me multiple times. Previously she has broken my finger and scratched me to the extent that I was hospitalised due to a serious infection in my arm.

I just honestly can’t do it any more. This has been going on for more than two years now. It’s completely ruining me, my relationship with my husband and our family life (we have other children). The violence triggers me so badly due to childhood abuse and I don’t feel safe in my own home.

Do social services take children away in these circumstances?

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x2boys · 28/07/2025 10:28

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 10:26

So the non-violent children lose the right to grow up in a two parent household?

Their rights to a childhood in a nuclear family are secondary to the right of a violent abuser to break up that family?

You are talking about a disabled eight year old child .

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 10:29

x2boys · 28/07/2025 10:28

You are talking about a disabled eight year old child .

You’re suggesting that violent children have the right to break up relationships and families.

What if the siblings are also disabled?

Which disability gets top trumps - the non-violent or the violent?

Hibernatingtilspring · 28/07/2025 10:32

@EviesHat since you clearly can't be bothered to read my posts I'm not going to waste my time responding in any detail.
The support provided is to support the whole family, which includes the siblings.

Everyone is talking as though OPs family have been supported and it's failed - that isn't the case, the OP is at the start of this - from what she's said hasn't accessed any services as yet. There is support out there, it may not be perfect but there is support and plenty of posters on here who have been able to offer some hope as they have been in similar positions and got support and are in a much better place now.

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 10:34

@x2boyshave you ever woken up being strangled by your child? Has one of your children broken another of your children’s bones? Destroyed their possessions? Are you given ultimatums by your child multiple times a day such as ‘I kill you or destroy everything you love, choose.’ ‘I kill myself or I kill my brother, choose.’ ‘I burn the house down or I punch you in the face, choose.’
Has your 8 year old ever been locked in the back of a riot van for hours because they’ve destroyed a police car and injured 4 burly police officers who couldn’t safely restrain him?
Have you left the house more than 4 times in the last 8 weeks?
Is one of your children self harming because of the stress and fear of living in a war zone?
Sit down, this conversation is not for you. You have no idea the utter despair and desperation of loving your abuser more than anything in the world and living with the genuine fear they will kill you and your other children.

x2boys · 28/07/2025 10:35

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 10:29

You’re suggesting that violent children have the right to break up relationships and families.

What if the siblings are also disabled?

Which disability gets top trumps - the non-violent or the violent?

No I'm suggesting you are way over the top and your solution, s are untenable the fact is there are thousands of families with disabled children who have behavioral issues including mine
We can't just put all these children in care as thankfully the days of locking children away have long gone.
So we have to work with them and their families not make small children out to be monsters.

x2boys · 28/07/2025 10:37

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 10:34

@x2boyshave you ever woken up being strangled by your child? Has one of your children broken another of your children’s bones? Destroyed their possessions? Are you given ultimatums by your child multiple times a day such as ‘I kill you or destroy everything you love, choose.’ ‘I kill myself or I kill my brother, choose.’ ‘I burn the house down or I punch you in the face, choose.’
Has your 8 year old ever been locked in the back of a riot van for hours because they’ve destroyed a police car and injured 4 burly police officers who couldn’t safely restrain him?
Have you left the house more than 4 times in the last 8 weeks?
Is one of your children self harming because of the stress and fear of living in a war zone?
Sit down, this conversation is not for you. You have no idea the utter despair and desperation of loving your abuser more than anything in the world and living with the genuine fear they will kill you and your other children.

I have a severely autistic non verbal 15 with extremely challenging behaviour so yeah I have an idea of how the system works do you,???

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 28/07/2025 10:37

Reading with interest as I know a parent of an eight year old child who is an absolute star at school but at home is biting and stabbing their mother, smashing up the home and destroying lives and relationships. No diagnosis, as school think they are a great student. Mother lives in fear and a degree of denial as she doesn't admit to the full extent of the abuse she suffers in the home.

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 10:37

@x2boyssee above.

x2boys · 28/07/2025 10:42

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 10:37

@x2boyssee above.

Right so you know its not just a case of phoning social services and asking for your child to be put into care then like so many posters seem to think?

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 10:44

Hibernatingtilspring · 28/07/2025 10:32

@EviesHat since you clearly can't be bothered to read my posts I'm not going to waste my time responding in any detail.
The support provided is to support the whole family, which includes the siblings.

Everyone is talking as though OPs family have been supported and it's failed - that isn't the case, the OP is at the start of this - from what she's said hasn't accessed any services as yet. There is support out there, it may not be perfect but there is support and plenty of posters on here who have been able to offer some hope as they have been in similar positions and got support and are in a much better place now.

Have studies been done on the effects to other children in the house of living with a violent sibling, both long-term and short-term, from childhood through to adulthood?

If so, what did they show?

If none have been done, how can social services be sure that keeping violent children in the home is in the best interests of the family as a whole?

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 10:48

x2boys · 28/07/2025 10:20

And where is the money coming from to fund this absurd suggestion?

And where is the money coming from to fund putting a child in care?!
raising children is the responsibility of their parents. Full stop. Parents live separately all the time, if that's what they have to do that's what they have to do.

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 10:49

@BabyCatFaceand where do you think the parents will find the money for that? When one parent has already had to give up work?

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 10:49

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 10:26

So the non-violent children lose the right to grow up in a two parent household?

Their rights to a childhood in a nuclear family are secondary to the right of a violent abuser to break up that family?

Fuck me. This is a neurodivergent child not a violent abuser.
And yes, the responsibility of raising the children falls with the parents. If they have to do that across two households then that's what they have to do. It's hardly an outlandish idea.

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 10:51

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 10:49

@BabyCatFaceand where do you think the parents will find the money for that? When one parent has already had to give up work?

Where do you think the money comes from to put a child in care? Have you any idea how much that costs the public purse?
If they have to, they go on benefits. Still cheaper than putting the child in care.

Ted27 · 28/07/2025 10:54

Everyone suggesting that the child is 'handed over' to social services- what do you think happens, do you think its some magic cure all?
Im a foster carer, my last placement was a child under section 20. All that happened was that the behavior was transfered to my home and to me. I was begging for help from the day he arrived. For reasons of confidentiality I can't describe much of what happened but in the end this poor child had a complete mental breakdown and was hospitalised for 3 weeks. Not before he completely trashed my home, several times.

Where ever this child is they need therapy, medication and treatments, and the parents ( or carers) need support.

x2boys · 28/07/2025 10:55

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 10:48

And where is the money coming from to fund putting a child in care?!
raising children is the responsibility of their parents. Full stop. Parents live separately all the time, if that's what they have to do that's what they have to do.

The fact is lots of families are expected to just muddle through aa best they can
Lots of families can't afford two separate households
I'm 15 years in now I think I'm quite lucky because I finally have a package of respite care
Which include,s two days a week every school holiday at a special needs club ,every other Saturday at the same club and two over nights a month in a a short break disabled children's residential home but it's taken years to get this level of respite and I only get it becsuse my son has very complex needs.

Paganpentacle · 28/07/2025 10:55

ForrinMummy · 27/07/2025 18:05

This is horrendous. Even worse, in extremis they would take your other children away (or to live separately with their Dad) and leave you, alone and unsupported with her.

That would absolutely not happen.

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 10:56

@x2boysand what if the child wont leave the house to access the offerings? Which means no one else can leave the house, either.

x2boys · 28/07/2025 10:59

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 10:56

@x2boysand what if the child wont leave the house to access the offerings? Which means no one else can leave the house, either.

I was just stating the respite i get ,I appreciate it's not the same for every family.

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 11:00

I understand that, but you can be offered respite and it’s entirely unsuitable and you’re unable to access it.

RubySquid · 28/07/2025 11:02

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 10:16

There are two parents. In a situation where one sibling poses a risk to other siblings the solution should be the parents live separately and care for the children separately not that one child is removed and cared for out of the family.

And what when it's a single parent with a violent child and siblings. I should imagine dealing with all that increases the risk of parents relationship breaking down

x2boys · 28/07/2025 11:03

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 11:00

I understand that, but you can be offered respite and it’s entirely unsuitable and you’re unable to access it.

I know it's crap i have friends in thst position.

StarCourt · 28/07/2025 11:04

Eeehbaheck · 27/07/2025 18:45

You need to refer yourself to social services and ask for a child in need assessment .
You should also be assessed as a carer.
You need help and support to be assessed, formulate a short term emergency plan, and then alongside that a longer term , reviewable strategy.
Emphasise your fears re your other dc and the violence- steps need to be taken in a pro active way to avoid family breakdown.
your dd needs to apply for attendance allowance ( non means tested)
respite ,if needed, should be part of the long term plan .
it may be that you are requesting an emergency respite placement for your dd- whilst social services remit is always to keep the family together, this temporary measure may be part of the emergency plan - depending on several factors- including availability, or support and respite from your own home .
( eg dd being taken places by a support worker , but still living in the home ,to give breathing space )
All the best to you .

Attendance Allowance is for pensioners

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 11:05

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 10:49

Fuck me. This is a neurodivergent child not a violent abuser.
And yes, the responsibility of raising the children falls with the parents. If they have to do that across two households then that's what they have to do. It's hardly an outlandish idea.

… family breakdown is one of the pathways to poverty. Lone-parent households are 2.5 times more likely to be in poverty than couple families? and in 2011,41 per cent of children from lone-parent families were in households living on less than 60 per cent of median income, against 23 per cent of children from two-parent families. (Pg14)

The greatest victims of family breakdown are children. The fact that there are 2.5 million separated families in Great Britain, with around 300,000 families separating each year, matters because of the extensive evidence showing that the stability of the family environment in which a child grows up contributes significantly to their future life outcomes. A child of separated parents is more likely to:

  • Grow up in poorer housing;
  • Experience behavioural problems;
  • Perform less well in school and gain fewer educational qualifications;
  • Need more medical treatment;
  • Leave school and home when young;
  • Become sexually active, pregnant or a parent at an early age; and
  • Report more depressive symptoms and higher levels of smoking, drinking and other drug use during adolescence and adulthood. (Pg53)

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/CSJFracturedFamiliesReportWEB13.06.13-1.pdf

You’re advocating the break up of families and all the negative consequences stemming from that, simply so the state can absolve itself of responsibility to keep the siblings of violent children safe.

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/CSJ_Fractured_Families_Report_WEB_13.06.13-1.pdf

RubySquid · 28/07/2025 11:05

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 10:44

Have studies been done on the effects to other children in the house of living with a violent sibling, both long-term and short-term, from childhood through to adulthood?

If so, what did they show?

If none have been done, how can social services be sure that keeping violent children in the home is in the best interests of the family as a whole?

Edited

Does seem strange. If your children were at risk of violence from a partner of yours everyone would be saying to boot him out. Yet it seems acceptable for kids to be at risk from a violent sibling and have to put up with it