To think The West is morally bankrupt

[Elrae]

America democratically elects an adjudicate rapist who sympathises with racists, hates women and will do anything to hang onto power. The UK and it's lickspitrlw leader fawn over Trump and says that Israel has rhe right to cut off food and water to Gaza. Then wairs a year watching children die before saying it is intolerable. Except he is tolerating it.We all are.
The West is pumping out carbon at a vast rate and will no doubt reject the flood of refugees that this will cause.
The West takes more than it's fair share of the world's wealth. Much of the West is based on colonial exploration and murder of the global south.
I used to think we were the good guys.
We are not. We are one of the worst things ever to happen to the planet and it's inhabitants.

Don be mistaken, this ethos of being taught to hate the UK, of critical race theory, of transideology, of calling our country ‘morally bankrupt’ IS colonialism of the UK. Anywhere you see the word ‘decolonisation’ remove the ‘de’; it is colonisation.

Well OP if you don’t like it ship out…as others have also said …welcome to leave! Try your luck elsewhere…see how that pans out…

We seem to have an endless stream of folks that want to arrive here ….so it ain’t that bad…sure you’ll receive a warmer welcome elsewhere which be more to your taste …China, Russia, Iran, Syria…if you don’t like the West then find somewhere else…

Narrow mindedness and totally blinkered if you think the West is the issue …

You're talking bollocks.
I grew up in a deprived northern town on benefits with a dysfunctional family. Moved to London (on my own) at 15 in the 1980s, lived in squats. I spend many days and hours manning the picket outside the South African embassy in Trafalgar Square. I was a member of the London anti apparitite group (who organised the picket) and used to go to the meetings. There were plenty of people like me involved.

I think it's very simplistic to say that. As individual people I disagree. A lot of people live by a strong moral code and get on with their lives. Just like people all over the world.

Did any them work?

YABU and foolish. @Dappy777 puts it very well.

The West is on the downturn. Empires rise and fall. We live in a time of unprecedented prosperity and freedom and knowing nothing else, we take it for granted and think it’s the norm. A quick glance at history tells us it’s very much not!

Human nature is human nature - sometimes the people on top are a bit better, sometimes worse - I think the political right understands this better than the left, just one reason why they tend to win more elections.

Another point of view is UK is currently a chump nation, too worried about appearing nationalistic to protect its own people and the best interests of citizens … so turns a blind eye to people/men entering illegally & dishonestly and getting handouts.

Whilst PM & Labour turn their backs on citizens and pursue some idealistic open borders hellhole where workers pay high taxes support the Labour open doors rainbow dreamers who lie, steal, cheat and accept generous handouts from the British idiots who want the non-caring “world” to think they’re “kind”.

His many here on MN, donate to or help local British families in need? I suggest more MN care about dogs, donkeys in Romania than people in own community who need support.

Trump’s message was unashamedly patriotic - make America great again. We are not America so Trump is not on ‘our side’. That he thinks he got a good trade deal from Starmer should concern us just as much as the Democrats colonialism through the imposition of their political creeds.

I think Trump confuses a lot of European leaders who have got too used to ignoring their own populations - they fail to understand he doesn’t care about countries or people beyond America’s borders other than in terms of American interests.

YANBU. We are the bad guys a lot of the time but we are fed propaganda so people don’t believe it

Really, thanks

Yes. It happened to another Mumsnetter the other week. I had no idea that it’d do that either.

Yes thanks you've made my point, people like me that were working didn't have time for international campaigns. Doesnt sound like you had a job. Just like now the "Palestine" protesters are retired, wealthy off students or on benefits. Old white people over represented.

We are not significant enough to be the bad guys any more.

They didn't vote him in though. They only like him because he'll devastate the West.

This mysterious ‘west’?

Yes if only we had a leader who put us first and negotiated good deals (for us rather than Mauritians etc). Like most people I feel that the Government are my enemy, it must be great to be American (or Japanese or one of the other countries where the leaders work on behalf of the people that pay them).

It would make a change.

You said working class people didn't demonstrate about South Africa. Sounds like a homeless teenager from a deprived background was somehow not working class enough for you, or in some way too privileged so can be discarded from your measure of working class.

Oh, and the LAAG meetings were held in the evenings and at weekends so working people could attend.

Britain is a colonising nation whose history and accumulated wealth involves invading other countries, stealing their resources and murdering their people. As well as setting up colonial administrations such as in the Raj in India. One of these colonised nations was a country whose western tip almost touched the very east of what we called Asia. The religiously persecuted Brethren who first arrived in this nation, and other colonisers, made it into a white Protestant setyller nation and in the process murdered many of the people who lived there for centuries. They then imported people from West Africa to be slaves working on cotton plantations. These people, still murdered today by the white selttler police, are today known as African Americans. Another white racist group, the German Nazis, decided to throw their lot in with a psychopath who thought Jews were the root of all their problems. He murdered millions of them, and miliions of those who fought against him. This legitimised the post war colonisation of Palestine by the co-religionists of the people who had been murdered. The co religionists, unwanted by Europe, created a new nation to assuage European guilt, called Israel. This new nation then threw Palestinian people off their land and became settler colonisers themselves. Supported by colonial countries like the UK and the US, and many European countries. The settler colonial guilt derived nation mistreated the indigenous inhabitants and then, almost 2 years ago, they were delighted that a terrorist group gave them a pretext for genocide through murderous acts. They murdered and starved thousands of children. Whenever anyone said "no" they cried "antisemitism"
Alternatively, just carry on drinking your fucking Merlot, listening to your bullshit BBC, believing the crap you have been fed,

@Elrae the Colonial administration put an end to suttee in India, for instance.
Your views are incredibly simplistic and take no account of historical context.

Colonisation of Palestine
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0.18 First settlers/cavemen. 0:28. Canaanites. 0:38. Ancient Egyptians. 0:48. Assyrians. 0:55. Israelites. 1:07. Babylonians/Persian Empire.. 1:10. Greeks/Macedonians (Alexander the Great). 1:17. Greeks/Macedonians (after Alexander the Great). 1:23. Ptolemaic Egypt. 1:26. Seleucid empire. 1:32. Hebrew Priest and Maccabees. 1:47. Romans. 1:56. Byzantines/Sassanids. 1:58. Arab Caliphs. 2:00. Crusaders. 2:04. Mamluk Egyptians/ Medieval Egypt. 2:07. Ottoman Turks. 2:09. Arabs. 2:12. British/Europeans. 2:27. Palestinians. 2:27. Jews/Zionists. 2:31. Jews vs Palestinians. 2:39. PLO/Hamas/Hezbollah. 2:45. State of Israel. . Guerrilla forces/Palestinians.

Britain has also been colonised, its people murdered, mistreated, stolen from and taken as slaves…