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Malnourished starving children in Gaza

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babyproblems · 26/07/2025 06:42

The photos that appeared this morning on my news updates of mothers holding their children, dying of starvation and extreme malnutrition in Gaza have absolutely broken my heart. I am not particularly news focused, of course I’ve followed it all but this morning it has stopped me in my tracks and took my breath away. As a mother of a 3yo DS who is sleeping peacefully in his bedroom, whilst we have a fridge full of food downstairs and a life of peace, I feel so sorry that those poor mothers and children are living this hell so undeserved and also so so lucky we have the peace we do…
I don’t really know what the point of my post is; I suppose I’m screaming When Will This End inside and want to tell everyone to not take the freedom and peace we have for granted; use your right to vote and use your privilege to make informed choices that steer the world away from conflict towards peace…

Sending a handhold to all the mothers’ whose lives are not being lived in peace and whose children are suffering 🕊️💔

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PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 18:58

juggleit · 01/08/2025 18:44

I object: you made a statement about that fact that Israel have claimed about 'all children are terrorists and their lives are not worth saving' and you have obfuscated onto some other waffle.

You have absolutely no idea about military tactics and if you did have a better understanding you would be much more pragmatic about the utter horrors of war.

A large proportion of the EDF are made up of 360,000 reservists who have never been in active engagement and would of been absolutely terrified and you have the audacity to 'question' their tactics! Mistakes are made under extreme stressful situations, indeed there are many reservists with bad intentions and they will be held to account as Israel always does and a far higher bar than any other Military in the world.

On a side note regarding the Russia/ Ukraine war, Russia have bombed in the duration of that war 1,940 healthcare facilities UN verified without any military justification and I don't see anywhere near the amount of drum banging about that. I wonder.....🤔 You absolutely need to question your bias.

Some waffle?! Quotes that either directly or indirectly show that law makers don’t care about killing innocent people (including children)? I don’t know what to do if you call that waffle. I didn’t claim they had stated that directly. My opinion is that their actions suggest this and the ‘waffle’ you have somehow disregarded is pretty damning evidence.

I don’t think people should be pragmatic about what happens in war. I think people should hold every government to account when they go to war to ensure war crimes aren’t committed.

I feel deeply sorry for the IDF reservists who are just following orders. How terrifying to be put in that position. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. I hope they get therapy/support when they are free of their service obligations. I have a huge issue with the people giving them those orders.

I appreciate your side note and happily confirm that I have an issue with any military bombing any healthcare facility. Or any military killing aid workers. Or children. I’ll always have a problem with this.

My focus is on Israel because that is what this thread is about. I am outraged by many other things going on in the world but for now I will focus on the topic at hand - innocent Palestinian people dying. Happy to pop onto other threads about the other issues. Maybe I’ll see you there.

Featherruffler · 01/08/2025 19:18

PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 18:39

Nope, but maybe if enough people like stand me up against war crimes, the government might change its tactics enough so that fewer innocent children are killed. And for me that’s a tiny victory against hatred. There’s nothing ‘hilarious’ going on in Gaza.

You don’t have the absolute faintest about what Israel is dealing with.
And what special intel do you have that makes you understand the conflict better than I do? You know nothing about me.

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Israeli government and military tactics are not decided by civilians, especially those who live in other countries far away from the conflict zone. There has been loads of pro- Palestinian demonstrations in lots of places in the Western world in recent years by civilians and to what result? A gigantic waste of time and police resources, upset locals, interrupted services, disrupted public transport, shut down businesses. Thanks to the likes of you who want to stand up for/against something they don’t fully understand and never experienced.
Leave war crime trials to the big boys, the UN, NATO and other organisations who have experts in that matter.

BanditLamp · 01/08/2025 19:24

I just wanted to say how sensible, compassionate and articulate the posts being made by @pinkbobby are.

Featherruffler · 01/08/2025 19:30

BanditLamp · 01/08/2025 19:24

I just wanted to say how sensible, compassionate and articulate the posts being made by @pinkbobby are.

What is this? Virtue signallers’ online meeting?
Don’t forget to send her virtual medals and gifts.

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/08/2025 19:58

MissyB1 · 31/07/2025 07:45

Try watching the news.

MSM?! 😱

Don’t you understand, it’s all fake.

Tik tok, Insta, X, Facebook far more reliable ……..

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/08/2025 19:59

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thepariscrimefiles · 01/08/2025 20:01

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You're asking the impossible there.

thepariscrimefiles · 01/08/2025 20:01

BanditLamp · 01/08/2025 19:24

I just wanted to say how sensible, compassionate and articulate the posts being made by @pinkbobby are.

I agree.

PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 20:03

Featherruffler · 01/08/2025 19:18

Israeli government and military tactics are not decided by civilians, especially those who live in other countries far away from the conflict zone. There has been loads of pro- Palestinian demonstrations in lots of places in the Western world in recent years by civilians and to what result? A gigantic waste of time and police resources, upset locals, interrupted services, disrupted public transport, shut down businesses. Thanks to the likes of you who want to stand up for/against something they don’t fully understand and never experienced.
Leave war crime trials to the big boys, the UN, NATO and other organisations who have experts in that matter.

I’m afraid I disagree, people protest, governments listen, they apply pressure internationally, change happens. Incredible moments in history happened because of protest. Disagreeing with protest because it’s an inconvenience/disruptive is fine but you can’t deny its power.

I don’t fully understand the war because I’m not involved in decision making and I have never lived in a war zone so have not experienced war but that doesn’t mean I don’t have a good understanding of historical conflict, especially in the Middle East. You don’t know enough about me to know why I am interested in this cause in particular or why my understanding of it extends beyond 7/10. But if we are making that a bar to discussing this conflict, do you fully understand the war (and,
if so, how?) and have you experienced war (yes or no will do as you don’t need to share details that you’re not comfortable with)?

I do not enter debates I don’t care about and know little about. I thought about ducking out of this a while ago because it got so bleak but I just can’t stand misinformation being circulated like facts or people using unbelievably biased evidence to support their points. I try to avoid personal comments or digs because I’m not rude or unkind but I will call people out for using bad evidence. The easy solutions is to find another source. If you are sharing facts, there should be more than one source.

And I’m relieved to see you trust the UN and believe they have experts. I totally agree. You might want to read their reports on Gaza too. Very eye opening.

PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 20:04

BanditLamp · 01/08/2025 19:24

I just wanted to say how sensible, compassionate and articulate the posts being made by @pinkbobby are.

That’s kind of you. This thread could do with a bit more of that! Other things too but I’ll take some kindness for now.

Dideon · 01/08/2025 20:57

PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 20:03

I’m afraid I disagree, people protest, governments listen, they apply pressure internationally, change happens. Incredible moments in history happened because of protest. Disagreeing with protest because it’s an inconvenience/disruptive is fine but you can’t deny its power.

I don’t fully understand the war because I’m not involved in decision making and I have never lived in a war zone so have not experienced war but that doesn’t mean I don’t have a good understanding of historical conflict, especially in the Middle East. You don’t know enough about me to know why I am interested in this cause in particular or why my understanding of it extends beyond 7/10. But if we are making that a bar to discussing this conflict, do you fully understand the war (and,
if so, how?) and have you experienced war (yes or no will do as you don’t need to share details that you’re not comfortable with)?

I do not enter debates I don’t care about and know little about. I thought about ducking out of this a while ago because it got so bleak but I just can’t stand misinformation being circulated like facts or people using unbelievably biased evidence to support their points. I try to avoid personal comments or digs because I’m not rude or unkind but I will call people out for using bad evidence. The easy solutions is to find another source. If you are sharing facts, there should be more than one source.

And I’m relieved to see you trust the UN and believe they have experts. I totally agree. You might want to read their reports on Gaza too. Very eye opening.

It’s great you didn’t duck out . You have more stamina than me!

Im just in from banging my pan outside my town hall for the last couple of hours. This week’s gathering was very well attended and the clapping and honking by passers by was constant.

Featherruffler · 01/08/2025 21:06

PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 20:03

I’m afraid I disagree, people protest, governments listen, they apply pressure internationally, change happens. Incredible moments in history happened because of protest. Disagreeing with protest because it’s an inconvenience/disruptive is fine but you can’t deny its power.

I don’t fully understand the war because I’m not involved in decision making and I have never lived in a war zone so have not experienced war but that doesn’t mean I don’t have a good understanding of historical conflict, especially in the Middle East. You don’t know enough about me to know why I am interested in this cause in particular or why my understanding of it extends beyond 7/10. But if we are making that a bar to discussing this conflict, do you fully understand the war (and,
if so, how?) and have you experienced war (yes or no will do as you don’t need to share details that you’re not comfortable with)?

I do not enter debates I don’t care about and know little about. I thought about ducking out of this a while ago because it got so bleak but I just can’t stand misinformation being circulated like facts or people using unbelievably biased evidence to support their points. I try to avoid personal comments or digs because I’m not rude or unkind but I will call people out for using bad evidence. The easy solutions is to find another source. If you are sharing facts, there should be more than one source.

And I’m relieved to see you trust the UN and believe they have experts. I totally agree. You might want to read their reports on Gaza too. Very eye opening.

You are just as biased as everyone else, probably without realising. You decided that the Israeli government is evil and Palestinians are innocent victims. All of your posts demonstrate this. You are doing the very same thing you accuse others of.

PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 21:32

Featherruffler · 01/08/2025 21:06

You are just as biased as everyone else, probably without realising. You decided that the Israeli government is evil and Palestinians are innocent victims. All of your posts demonstrate this. You are doing the very same thing you accuse others of.

I will have my own bias, we all do. Which is why I work hard to find reputable sources to inform my opinion and listen to people on all sides of a debate in case I am missing important perspectives. As I I’ve said before, I’ve had interesting discussions with ‘pro-Israel’ people and they’ve put forward some interesting opinions/valid arguments with evidence that have continued to help me understand the two conflicting perspectives.

I actually don’t think I did call the Israeli government evil. I think I have only used that word in relation to Hamas. I believe the Israeli govt have acted terribly and need to be held accountable for the number of innocent people killed in this war and the way in which they are trying to destroy Hamas. Partly for the lives lost but also because I fear they are making Hamas more popular within Gaza and prolonging the war.

I believe that, at the very least, all Palestinian children are innocent. I believe a lot of the women will be too. They live under terrorist rule with no option but to put up with it - that doesn’t make them terrorists. It does make them victims.

You have openly said that all Muslims are antisemitic which is Islamophobic. You have used at least one massively biased and Islamophobic source to support your opinions (Charlie Kirk). It’s okay to call people out when they do these things. I don’t like hatred and refuse to let people use it without consequence.

Featherruffler · 01/08/2025 21:46

PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 21:32

I will have my own bias, we all do. Which is why I work hard to find reputable sources to inform my opinion and listen to people on all sides of a debate in case I am missing important perspectives. As I I’ve said before, I’ve had interesting discussions with ‘pro-Israel’ people and they’ve put forward some interesting opinions/valid arguments with evidence that have continued to help me understand the two conflicting perspectives.

I actually don’t think I did call the Israeli government evil. I think I have only used that word in relation to Hamas. I believe the Israeli govt have acted terribly and need to be held accountable for the number of innocent people killed in this war and the way in which they are trying to destroy Hamas. Partly for the lives lost but also because I fear they are making Hamas more popular within Gaza and prolonging the war.

I believe that, at the very least, all Palestinian children are innocent. I believe a lot of the women will be too. They live under terrorist rule with no option but to put up with it - that doesn’t make them terrorists. It does make them victims.

You have openly said that all Muslims are antisemitic which is Islamophobic. You have used at least one massively biased and Islamophobic source to support your opinions (Charlie Kirk). It’s okay to call people out when they do these things. I don’t like hatred and refuse to let people use it without consequence.

But so far, no matter what information source or person has been presented to you, you all threw them back, called them biased, unreliable and Islamophobic. Charlie Kirk, Mosab Hassan Yousef, and the likes, whatever link we paste here, meets with immediate dismissal from you. Why does the information source have to be a gigantic news corporation to meet your approval? Why don’t you want to accept that YouTubers, podcasters, or even ordinary people from the streets of Israel can be reliable sources of information? Is it because you are biased?

PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 22:08

Featherruffler · 01/08/2025 21:46

But so far, no matter what information source or person has been presented to you, you all threw them back, called them biased, unreliable and Islamophobic. Charlie Kirk, Mosab Hassan Yousef, and the likes, whatever link we paste here, meets with immediate dismissal from you. Why does the information source have to be a gigantic news corporation to meet your approval? Why don’t you want to accept that YouTubers, podcasters, or even ordinary people from the streets of Israel can be reliable sources of information? Is it because you are biased?

I actually haven’t disregarded all of them. But I will call out Charlie Kirk and Mosab Hassan Yousef specifically because they have openly said Islamophobic things. The ‘ordinary’ Israeli X account you posted was almost entirely posts about Muslim people which to me is a red flag that it’s another Islamophobic source. i don’t care for racist people’s thoughts because their world view is so biased against a certain group. I don’t count them as reliable sources when some of the victims of this conflict are the very people they hate. I think you also posted an ex army guy who ‘knows his stuff’. All I asked was how he ‘knows his stuff’ when clearly he isn’t on the front line.

I don’t just read the news. I also read first hand accounts from medics in Gaza, charity reports, listen to podcasts, look at trustworthy photos from Gaza, some stuff inevitably comes up on my social media which I’ll take into account (but it’s usually biased). I’ve asked several times for more places to look for info from ‘pro-Israel’ posters to make sure I’m not missing info that would give me as full a picture as possible. But I will always disregard Islamophobic sources in this debate just as I would antisemitic posts or opinions. Neither are acceptable or carry any weight. Again, I don’t like or listen to hatred.

Featherruffler · 01/08/2025 22:49

PinkBobby · 01/08/2025 22:08

I actually haven’t disregarded all of them. But I will call out Charlie Kirk and Mosab Hassan Yousef specifically because they have openly said Islamophobic things. The ‘ordinary’ Israeli X account you posted was almost entirely posts about Muslim people which to me is a red flag that it’s another Islamophobic source. i don’t care for racist people’s thoughts because their world view is so biased against a certain group. I don’t count them as reliable sources when some of the victims of this conflict are the very people they hate. I think you also posted an ex army guy who ‘knows his stuff’. All I asked was how he ‘knows his stuff’ when clearly he isn’t on the front line.

I don’t just read the news. I also read first hand accounts from medics in Gaza, charity reports, listen to podcasts, look at trustworthy photos from Gaza, some stuff inevitably comes up on my social media which I’ll take into account (but it’s usually biased). I’ve asked several times for more places to look for info from ‘pro-Israel’ posters to make sure I’m not missing info that would give me as full a picture as possible. But I will always disregard Islamophobic sources in this debate just as I would antisemitic posts or opinions. Neither are acceptable or carry any weight. Again, I don’t like or listen to hatred.

So I paste a YouTube link of an interview with a British army officer who was obviously in the military for ages, an experienced army person, stationed right in the thick of the conflict zone and you dismiss him? He is not a Jew nor a Muslim, so pretty neutral. You say ‘he isn’t on the front-line’, so he can’t know his stuff…why do they have to be on the front-line to your liking? A lot of political and military stuff goes on behind the front-line. And considering his rank and experience, I’m pretty sure he was on the front line several times.
If they are not on the front line, you don’t believe them. If they left Islam, you dismiss them. If they are Jewish and want to defend Israel, you chuck them out. If they say anything negative about Islam or criticise it, they are Islamophobic. Do you think Islam is a perfect religion without any faults and cannot be criticised? Do you agree with sharia law, honour killings and the oppression of women? Only asking because these are all parts of Islam.
Mosab said some “Islamophobic” things? Can you blame the guy? He is coming from Islam and was in the thick of Hamas, yet you don’t want to hear him out.

You say you look at trustworthy photos from Gaza. A lot of photos from Gaza are NOT trustworthy. This is being discussed all over the media now.

According to you, almost everyone is biased. You decided that and nothing can change your mind. Everyone from A to Z is biased, right?

Btw I haven’t posted any X account because I don’t use X. It was someone else.

PinkBobby · 02/08/2025 08:32

Featherruffler · 01/08/2025 22:49

So I paste a YouTube link of an interview with a British army officer who was obviously in the military for ages, an experienced army person, stationed right in the thick of the conflict zone and you dismiss him? He is not a Jew nor a Muslim, so pretty neutral. You say ‘he isn’t on the front-line’, so he can’t know his stuff…why do they have to be on the front-line to your liking? A lot of political and military stuff goes on behind the front-line. And considering his rank and experience, I’m pretty sure he was on the front line several times.
If they are not on the front line, you don’t believe them. If they left Islam, you dismiss them. If they are Jewish and want to defend Israel, you chuck them out. If they say anything negative about Islam or criticise it, they are Islamophobic. Do you think Islam is a perfect religion without any faults and cannot be criticised? Do you agree with sharia law, honour killings and the oppression of women? Only asking because these are all parts of Islam.
Mosab said some “Islamophobic” things? Can you blame the guy? He is coming from Islam and was in the thick of Hamas, yet you don’t want to hear him out.

You say you look at trustworthy photos from Gaza. A lot of photos from Gaza are NOT trustworthy. This is being discussed all over the media now.

According to you, almost everyone is biased. You decided that and nothing can change your mind. Everyone from A to Z is biased, right?

Btw I haven’t posted any X account because I don’t use X. It was someone else.

I was asking to try to quickly work out if he was actually involved in this conflict in a meaningful way or if he was using his military expertise to speak about the conflict more broadly. I still need to watch the full clip (which I will) to work out whether I think he’s a good source but I would only disregard him if he assumes his position in the military and experience makes him an expert in a totally different conflict to the ones he served in. I will withhold judgement until I’ve watched it

I have dismissed one individual who left Islam totally based on his comments about Muslim people. I’m sure other Muslims have questioned their faith or converted /become atheist and wouldn’t say such things. And in my previous post I said I can understand if he feels he has to say those things so that everyone knows he is definitely not affiliated with Hamas anymore but I still cannot put up with Islamophobia just as I wouldn’t put up with any other hate speech. If he’s directed all that hate at Hamas and not Muslim people, I’d not disregard him so quickly. Because directing hatred at Hamas makes totally sense.

I also haven’t dismissed any people who want to support Israel because they are Jewish. I have no idea what religion or ethnicity people are on here. There was an interesting discussion about Jewish children singing anti-Palestinian songs and someone explained that it was people massively affected by 7/10. In that context, I can understand the hatred and whilst I don’t agree with someone teaching children such things, it doesn’t make me feel differently about the ordinary Israelis caught up in this conflict.

All I’m looking for is where everyone is getting their info from. The only person who I have dismissed who I know is definitely Jewish is the X account that was shared (apologies, I thought that was you). I dismissed it after looking through and seeing that almost every post was about Muslims and terrorism and it didn’t feel like the best place for me to be getting my news.

There is a difference between saying Muslim people who conduct honour killings or Muslim people who become extremists are terrible people vs ALL Muslims are antisemitic or I’d pick one cow over X number of Muslims. I will always disagree with religious extremism and I certainly question elements of Islam. But that’s the same for any religion - Islam has some very sinister elements that some people follow. There are groups of Christians who also have very sinister views and I’d call them out too. So no, I don’t think Islam is a perfect religion but plenty of the millions of Muslims
in the world follow it peacefully, without hurting anyone.

And yes, I agree that any photo shared in this conflict needs to be checked and keep an eye out for retractions or suggestions that misinformation is being shared.

Everyone has bias. We grew up at a certain time, with certain world events going on and with our family’s influence. We have different backgrounds, traumas, experiences. We meet different people. All of those things are present when we are forming an opinion. The important thing is to be aware of our own bias as far as we can and also look out for other people’s bias when trying to form an opinion. Obviously not everyone is too biased to take into account. I’ve listed the types of sources that I tend to use and try to figure out what bias is coming in to their reporting/opinions. I’m always open to new sources but if I look into them (or know them already) and I find that they are racist, I won’t follow them, if I find they are involved in one side of the conflict, I will be cautious and look for other sources to corroborate what they are saying, if they are a charity with a good reputation and a long track record in the region, I will take their info/opinions more seriously.

LoremIpsumCici · 11/08/2025 16:20

MiloMinderbinder925 · 31/07/2025 15:36

I imagine that it's difficult to find condoms under the rubble. You may see Palestinians as animals, responsible for their slaughter and starvation, but they're human beings and human beings need intimacy, especially during times of crisis.

Women are being forced to sell sex for a pita bread to split between their children.

Hamiltonfan · 11/08/2025 16:25

85% of aid is stolen by Hamas. That's where the UN should be focusing.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 16:30

Hamiltonfan · 11/08/2025 16:25

85% of aid is stolen by Hamas. That's where the UN should be focusing.

Do you have evidence of that please?

LoremIpsumCici · 11/08/2025 16:30

So I paste a YouTube link of an interview with a British army officer who was obviously in the military for ages, an experienced army person, stationed right in the thick of the conflict zone and you dismiss him?

Have you seen this interview yet?
Part one of our interview with retired Green Beret Lt. Col. Tony Aguilar, who says he witnessed war crimes in Gaza.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjEMbHXM4Q

Hamiltonfan · 11/08/2025 16:34

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 16:30

Do you have evidence of that please?

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/08/05/un-reports-88-percent-of-aid-trucks-slated-for-delivery-in-gaza-since-may-looted-along-routes/ sorry 88%

LoremIpsumCici · 11/08/2025 16:34

Hamiltonfan · 11/08/2025 16:25

85% of aid is stolen by Hamas. That's where the UN should be focusing.

The 88% of aid looted figure released by the UN is of aid distributed by GHF since 19 May 2025 and there is no evidence the looters were Hamas, but plenty of evidence the looters were desperate starving people and armed gangs, but most especially the armed gangs paid by Netanyahu to loot aid convoys.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-14/gaza-aid-looting-gangs-yasser-abu-shabab-israel-netanyahu-hamas/

There was no evidence Hamas stole aid prior to Mar 25 when the UN was running it. There is nothing the UN can do because Israel refuses to let the UN distribute humanitarian aid, it all has to go by GHF.

The 'uncharismatic, illiterate' criminal behind Gaza's aid-looting gangs

Violent gangs have been raiding convoys of aid as they are trucked through Gaza, and behind one of the largest groups is a criminal who has reportedly been armed and protected by Israel.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-14/gaza-aid-looting-gangs-yasser-abu-shabab-israel-netanyahu-hamas/105501926

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 17:13

Sorry, I meant do you have evidence that 85% of aid is being stolen by Hamas. The UN report says that since May, civilians have taken to offloading supplies directly from convoys and there are accounts of aid being taken by Hamas. However it doesn't say the percentage stolen by Hamas.

UNWRA who delivered aid effectively throughout the region were kicked out and for several weeks no aid entered the area. Now aid distribution is run by a private American run operation and over 1k have been shot when approaching them. How come they aren't protecting the aid?

Israel are now allowing aid drops which don't distribute aid effectively and kill people. They've severely restricted aid along the 'humanitarian corridors'. Israel have an obligation under international law to do everything they can to protect the civilian population.

PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 17:22

Quote from the BBC in the last 24hrs: A recent internal analysis by the US government found no evidence of systematic theft of humanitarian supplies, Reuters and CNN recently reported.

As others had said, this points more towards a lot of hungry people desperately trying to get food rather than organised attempts to steal food and starve people.