Malnourished starving children in Gaza

[babyproblems]

The photos that appeared this morning on my news updates of mothers holding their children, dying of starvation and extreme malnutrition in Gaza have absolutely broken my heart. I am not particularly news focused, of course I’ve followed it all but this morning it has stopped me in my tracks and took my breath away. As a mother of a 3yo DS who is sleeping peacefully in his bedroom, whilst we have a fridge full of food downstairs and a life of peace, I feel so sorry that those poor mothers and children are living this hell so undeserved and also so so lucky we have the peace we do…
I don’t really know what the point of my post is; I suppose I’m screaming When Will This End inside and want to tell everyone to not take the freedom and peace we have for granted; use your right to vote and use your privilege to make informed choices that steer the world away from conflict towards peace…

Sending a handhold to all the mothers’ whose lives are not being lived in peace and whose children are suffering 🕊️💔

So now we should be taking what Hamas say as the truth? Everything else they say is 100% lies except the one comment that suits your narrative?

And Israel aggression/dehumanisation started before 7/10. Following your logic, they have a right to defend themselves too, right? Hamas has targeted Israel for a long time. Israel has treated has treated the Palestinian people as unequal for a long time. Blame lands on both sides.

Pushing the narrative that Palestinians voted for Hamas sums up your total disengagement or misunderstanding of the truth.

I don’t understand your first paragraph. What do you mean?

The UN aren't totally infiltrated by Hamas.

It will be interesting to hear how Steve Witkoff and Mike Huckabee little visit goes.

It's obvious what that poster meant. You are being totally disingenuous. You said:

'Mosab Hassan Yousef (son of Hamas) said it himself that Hamas and Palestinians are the same thing.'

You dispute everything else that Hamas is saying but believe this because it suits your narrative.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

@Featherruffler Either, Hamas are a reliable source and we trust things like their death figures OR they are an unreliable source and we can’t believe what they say (including ‘that Hamas and Palestinians are the same thing.‘)

You can’t have it both ways, I’m afraid,

Clearly you have decided that all Palestinians are terrorists and deserve to die. There’s no point debating with anyone who thinks babies and toddlers are dangerous and should be killed.

Mosab Hassan Yousef left Hamas. The guy is totally anti Hamas. He left Islam and is a Christian now. So what are you talking about?

Anyway it doesn't matter who he is. The Palestinians are not Hamas. He is wrong.

Palestinians are people just like us and just like the Israelis and children are always innocent of any crimes commited by their parents, relatives or government.

"He is wrong?" Um ok then Hun.

Please just walk away now. You are embarrassing yourself. You are heavily into this case and don’t even know who Mosab Hassan Yousef is? He is the son of one of the most prominent founders of Hamas who grew up with Hamas himself and served them and followed them faithfully till he saw through their lies and left. He is a very important voice in this whole conflict and knows Hamas inside and out.
If you have no idea who he is, what other things are you ignorant about?

Fine - he’s totally anti-Hamas, doesn’t sound like an unbiased opinion I’m interested in.

You prefer to get opinions from terrorists?

Doesn’t sound like an unbiased opinion? 😄you are cracking me up now, you really do!
If anyone has an unbiased opinion, it’s him!

I don't need any special or in depth knowledge to know that an entire population cannot be held responsible for the actions of a terrorist group.

It is this attitude of collective responsibility that leads to genocide and war crimes.

If you prefer to keep yourself in ignorance, that’s your choice.

Here’s a longer version of why I think he is biased. Not so much to justify to anything to you but just in case anyone else on here is looking for more info on why he’s possibly not such a great source.

I believe someone who could say “"If I have to choose between 1.6 billion Muslims and a cow, I will choose the cow." or "I have zero respect for any individual who identifies as a Muslim." Isn’t going to have any concern for any Muslim life, let alone the innocent people in Gaza. He may feel he has to say this so no one questions his loyalty to his former life but it is Islamophobia at its worst and I don’t listen to racist people because their world view is so distorted.

He doesn’t know Hamas inside out because he’s been out of the loop since 2007. Whilst an amazing asset to the Israeli’s (he worked as an Israeli spy for about 10years), he also owes them his life and I think that would make him biased. His popularity and position relies on him being staunchly anti Hamas and sympathising with Palestinians could blur lines and risk his image and peaceful life. Even if he knew everything about Hamas, it is still ridiculous to claim that babies and young children at the very least are terrorists.

I would rather stick to charities and various NGOs who have spent years tracking the situation in Gaza and its interactions with Israel. I would rather stick to reports from journalists who pride themselves on being as unbiased as possible. Or medics who have seen what’s happening. I will choose these sources any day over accounts I am fed on any social media feed or far right commentators who, after even 5mins of searching, are clearly biased.

As I’ve said before, I’ve had some excellent yet challenging discussions on various forums with people on the pro-Israel side and it’s really made me think carefully about all the information I am receiving and the opinions I am trusting. It has made me more sceptical but this has not changed my view on the fact that innocent people, children in particular, are being unnecessarily killed because of the policy decisions of the Israeli government. Hamas are beyond terrible and have oppressed the Palestinians for years. It’s a shame that rather than helping them, Israel has cast them all with the terrorist label and decided that children’s lives at the very least aren’t worth saving in the pursuit of terrorists. When Hamas killed children, you felt outraged. When Israel do the same, you feel… I’m not even sure.

I think any time you spend reflecting on why you feel so anti-Palestine would be beneficial.

PinkyBob doesn’t find Mosab Hassan Yousef unbiased.
In the meantime Piers Morgan, Gad Saad, Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, Ayaan Hirsi Ali etc..are all having interviews and conversations with him. He gets invited by everyone from the UN to the Oxford Union for political debates.
But PinkBobby doesn’t find him credible
We should all listen to PinkyBob from now on 😆

You're making this too easy.

Firstly, not everyone on tv is worth listening to. I’m sorry if that’s groundbreaking news.

Charlie Kirk was also invited to debate Oxford and Cambridge students. It doesn’t make him unbiased or some great intellect. They’re just a good challenge for those students to debate against because of their views. If you actually listen to what they say, it is biased and Islamophobia. So again, not views I engage with.

And re the U.N., MHY has a unique perspective and plenty to say but that doesn’t, again, make him some great neutral source who speaks the truth.

If you want to present an evidence based argument rather than get personal and make snide remarks, I’m all ears. But please at least try to find proper (as unbiased as possible, not racist) sources/evidence for your statements

@PinkBobby 'It’s a shame that rather than helping them, Israel has cast them all with the terrorist label and decided that children’s lives at the very least aren’t worth saving in the pursuit of terrorists. When Hamas killed children, you felt outraged. When Israel do the same, you feel… I’m not even sure'

Can you give a source of the statement you have made about Israel's view of children that they are not worth saving?

Maybe you need to spend some reflecting on why you are so anti - Israel?

Its people like you who will continue to fuel the hatred and the indoctrination - don't take a side, take the facts.

As I have said previously. follow the money: the charities, the ngo's they all have slither of the pie. Even ask chat gpt how many charities/ngo's are working in the worn torn Gaza and the money put into that region, it run's into billions!
We could argue that thank goodness for these agencies, looking after these suffering people and I agree it is a good thing but It wont help end the continual bias of Israel the evil and Palestine the victim, all this aid fuels the narrative.

He is also an islamophobe who has said he has "zero respect for anyone who identifies as Muslim", and has accused Muslims of using Palestine as "a device against Israel". So again, your source is pro-Israel and islamophobic.

I’m sorry you feel that way but I don’t think you’re really listening to what my issue is here, namely, the Israeli government’s military tactics.

To be clear, when I reference Israel in any post, I specifically mean their government and military. I know that many Israelis don’t back the tactics of their government and are equally shocked about what’s happening. They are also directly affected by the conflict so will have much stronger feelings about it so I can understand their fear and potential hatred. Unlike other posters, I don’t paint huge groups of people with one brush. I judge the Israeli government for their actions and don’t hold it against the Israeli population because I don’t know how each of them feels about this conflict. They didn’t vote for the specific war related policies so it doesn’t automatically represent their wishes. So no, Israel isn’t evil. That’s an absurd conclusion to draw as it is a group of individuals who obviously can’t be inherently bad. But their government has chosen to hurt many innocent people in their war against Hamas and I think that needs to be called out. Hamas have also caused many many deaths and I have no problem calling them evil because they are a terrorist organisation who seized power and oppressed a huge number of people.

Asking for evidence based arguments is not fuelling anti-Israel rhetoric or hatred. Nor is questioning their military tactics when so many people are dying/getting hurt. People on all sides should be searching for the truth and thinking carefully about who is a trustworthy source. It is not my fault that people are bringing such biased and Islamophobic sources as evidence to support their views.

Apologies, I missed your first point. Below are quotes from Israeli politicians. Some are more direct than others I’m not sure how many of these quotes aren’t deeply disturbing/troubling when there are so many children in Gaza.

https://archive.vn/TzFJT#selection-305.0-448.0

“Gaza will be entirely destroyed” as a result of an Israeli military victory, and that its Palestinian population will “leave in great numbers to third countries”
“No one in the world will allow us to starve 2 million people, even though it might be justified and moral in order to free the hostages.”
both finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich
https://www.politico.eu/article/gaza-israel-netherlands-government-bans-entry-israeli-ministers-smotrich-and-ben-gvir/

“The government is racing ahead for Gaza to be wiped out,” Eliyahu told Haredi radio station Kol Barama. “Thank God, we are wiping out this evil. We are pushing this population that has been educated on ‘Mein Kampf.'”
“There’s no hunger in Gaza,” he said. “But we don’t need to be concerned with hunger in the Strip. Let the world worry about it.”
“there are no uninvolved civilians”
Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu (who also said dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza was ‘an option’)

Israeli’s have one common goal - “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.”
Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi
[Gazans are] an entire nation out there that is responsible… This rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved [in the October 7 onslaught] — it’s absolutely not true.” Isaac Herzog PM of Israel

“We have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are
fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly"

• Yoav Gallant, Israeli Defense Minister

https://archive.vn/TzFJT#selection-305.0-448.0

“Gaza will be entirely destroyed” as a result of an Israeli military victory, and that its Palestinian population will “leave in great numbers to third countries”
“No one in the world will allow us to starve 2 million people, even though it might be justified and moral in order to free the hostages.”
both finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich
https://www.politico.eu/article/gaza-israel-netherlands-government-bans-entry-israeli-ministers-smotrich-and-ben-gvir/

“The government is racing ahead for Gaza to be wiped out,” Eliyahu told Haredi radio station Kol Barama. “Thank God, we are wiping out this evil. We are pushing this population that has been educated on ‘Mein Kampf.'”
“There’s no hunger in Gaza,” he said. “But we don’t need to be concerned with hunger in the Strip. Let the world worry about it.”
“there are no uninvolved civilians”
Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu (who also said dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza was ‘an option’)
Israeli’s have one common goal - “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.”
Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi
[Gazans are] an entire nation out there that is responsible… This rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved [in the October 7 onslaught] — it’s absolutely not true.” Isaac Herzog PM of Israel
“We have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are
fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly"

• Yoav Gallant, Israeli Defense Minister

”There are no innocent people in Gaza. We saw what happened on October 7. They are Nazis. Everyone who wants to harm the State of Israel should be killed. I hope my son will kill everyone who comes in front of him and wants to harm the State of Israel, including children."
Israeli lawmaker, Michal Waldiger,

These are the people I have an issue with and sadly they have power and influence. They are decision/law makers who clearly have no regard for Palestinians lives, including the many children who live there. Not everyday Israeli people just trying to live normal, happy lives.

You have an issue with Israel’s military tactics! Hilarious! You think that upon hearing/reading this, Israel will sit up and listen, will hang their head in shame, start apologising for being naughty and start sharing their toys with the Palestinians? “Hear, hear, PinkBobby is upset somewhere in Great Britain! Let’s not upset her anymore!”

All is fair in war and love.

You don’t have the absolute faintest about what Israel is dealing with.

Nope, but maybe if enough people like stand me up against war crimes, the government might change its tactics enough so that fewer innocent children are killed. And for me that’s a tiny victory against hatred. There’s nothing ‘hilarious’ going on in Gaza.

You don’t have the absolute faintest about what Israel is dealing with.
And what special intel do you have that makes you understand the conflict better than I do? You know nothing about me.

I object: you made a statement about that fact that Israel have claimed about 'all children are terrorists and their lives are not worth saving' and you have obfuscated onto some other waffle.

You have absolutely no idea about military tactics and if you did have a better understanding you would be much more pragmatic about the utter horrors of war.

A large proportion of the EDF are made up of 360,000 reservists who have never been in active engagement and would of been absolutely terrified and you have the audacity to 'question' their tactics! Mistakes are made under extreme stressful situations, indeed there are many reservists with bad intentions and they will be held to account as Israel always does and a far higher bar than any other Military in the world.

On a side note regarding the Russia/ Ukraine war, Russia have bombed in the duration of that war 1,940 healthcare facilities UN verified without any military justification and I don't see anywhere near the amount of drum banging about that. I wonder.....🤔 You absolutely need to question your bias.