This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

Please stop attacking posters because their opinion differs from yours.

News stories like these whip up an incredible amount of emotion, of course everyone is horrified by the murderers actions and we can feel deeply disturbed and angry and upset for a long time afterwards. This is why I try and avoid this type of news story myself.

But, here is the thing, we cannot change laws in this country - especially ones as serious as reinstating the death penalty - on emotion. They have to be based on rational, logical thinking. With the emotion taken out.

Fair point. I just saw the story and felt so upset.

@ilovesooty I could say the same to you 🤦‍♀️

Based on logical thinking, what do we gain from keeping this person alive? Ok, I know that’s still an emotional response. But it’s just fucking horrific and the world would be a better place if he and others like him weren’t in it.

Of course it is horrific.

No one thinks it is anything other than horrific., whatever their views on capital punishment

I get that. But seriously, what are you actually going to DO to make a meaningful contribution to the prevention of violence? Actions speak louder than words.

You make a very good point, in a court of law, would a jury be more reticent to deliver a guilty verdict if they knew the punishment was death rather than imprisonment… so would we have actually more murderers go free.

At least one, Stefan Kiszko

This is what I think.

I don’t know. You’re right, I should have a think about that. And perhaps anyone who’s horrified by this child’s death should too. (There may be posters on this thread who already are.)

Killing someone is wrong, whoever does it.

Nothing. We gain nothing from keeping him alive. But what do we lose, as a society, if we killed him?

And we can’t just reinstate the death penalty for just this one person.

Stefan Kiszko.

Ok. But in cases like this one it’s inarguably black and white.

Yes, I am one of them. Over a decade spent working with all sorts of people, including paedophiles, murderers and rapists is yet to convince me that the DP would be a good thing.

Don be so bloody ridiculous. Nobody is doing that.

Where have I made personal attacks on others?

You must realise that many MNers wouldn't believe the result of last night's football match, they'd be checking with the totally unbiased Grauniad. The same horrific case is reported on other websites so it must be true.

We gain revenge, and that feels good. Like justice has actually been done. And it’s not just him - I feel the same about all child killers.

Although it's the DM and therefore gutter press, I don't doubt that the gist is correct.

The problem with the death penalty for me is that people with power abuse their power endlessly, they make mistakes continually, sometimes deliberately. How many innocent people would be killed? How many innocent people would be waiting to die c/o the death penalty and they'd regularly fuck that up I imagine. Oopsy, I injected it into the skin by mistake. 🖕

Just like the baby was left with them to be killed despite obvious multiple flags. Seriously. How 🤷

I'd like to hope he'd be ended in prison. However, I believe a significant proportion in prison will be sociopathic, like he has to be to act this way ( or a psychopath).

No easy answers to dealing with these ghouls. They shouldn't pro create, but again, we can't enforce that because it would cross too many lines and they'd abuse and balls that up too if we enabled anyone power over that choice.

Yes, it is. But bringing back the death penalty opens the door to the possibility of innocent people being killed by the state.

@RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie sure.

Precisely nobody is saying it didn’t happen.