This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

@randomchap How is it? Do you really believe that this creature deserves to live?

Nobody is disputing it’s true. We just don’t think this means we should bring back the death penalty.

Why this one and not any of the other horrific cases, OP?

Bit of a leap 😂

OP I'm honestly with you. In cases like this and things such as mass shootings with eye witnesses where we know without a doubt who has done it, it's hard to argue that these people deserve to live.

I'm opposed to the death penalty because there are too many risks with it and the chance of innocent people being harmed is too high, but on a purely moral level, I would not lose sleep over people like this dying 🤷

Where do you draw the line? A road death is acceptable? Medical negligence? Freak golfball? Who decides?

Because you’re asking me to find reasons why he did this as mitigation. Presumably blaming his upbringing, the government, etc. That is all irrelevant because nothing and no one else is to blame except him.

OK. Whatever.

I don’t support the death penalty in any circumstances. Drawing attention to horrific crimes isn’t going to change my mind on this. It’s an absolute.

Lock this terrible man up. I’m happy to pay my taxes to fund his incarceration.

For me the line is killing a child. Star Hobson, Arthur Labinjo-Hughes, Sara Sharif, Baby P (to name a few) - their killers are pure evil.

I believe that the death penalty is barbaric, it does not act as a deterrent, and should not be reinstated.

Innocent people have been killed by the state

That does not make me, or anyone else, arguing against it as bad as the perpetrator as you so claimed.

The idea of bringing back the death penalty is highly complex and fraught with the danger of getting it wrong. That’s why knee jerk, ‘Bring it back’ reactions, even to horrific clear-cut crimes remain too simplistic.

I don’t agree with the death penalty. Lock evil bastards up and let them live a long and lonely life.

I won’t read the article and not because it’s in the DM but because I know I will find it distressing and I will feel exceptionally angry about it.
If I saw an article in a few months’ time that said he had been brutally murdered in prison I would feel that karma had been served.

This is not the same as thinking that death penalty should be back in force though.

I agree with this, I sometimes think as a society we have a duty to bear the burden of heinous, unimaginable crimes.

But do feel a flash of rage and sadness at some things I read.

Are you saying it's not true then? Because it is.

@WhereIsMyJumper It's truly not. If you can justify why this thing should continue to exist, it says a great deal about you.

Nowhere did that poster say it’s not true… that’s not the point.

Don’t be ridiculous.

We are a civilised society with resources and values.

I am not prepared for my own values to be dictated by those who are evil, uncivilised, wicked, selfish and who have no regard for human life or quality of life,

If I kill, or allow the state to kill on my behalf as a reaction to their crimes I am allowing their behaviour to dictate my actions.Tneir behaviour will have turned me into a killer.

Killing people is wrong. So wrong that killers do not deserve the privilege of freedom in a civilised society. They can be locked up for life to keep that freedom from them and to ensure they cannot kill or harm again.

And that enables us to keep our dignity and values in a civilised society.

I feel more than a “flash”. These horrific stories stay with me for years.

This is true- but it remains the case that calls to bring back the death penalty are not considering the complexities around such a call.

Read my later posts. You are simplifying this too much. Nobody is saying they’re against the death because they feel sorry for this murderer.

They can be locked up for life to keep that freedom from them and to ensure they cannot kill or harm again.

@RantzNotBantz the problem is they’re often not locked up for life.

Spot on

Yeah that's kind of my stance on it. I would never be pro state sanctioned death penalty, but I also absolutely would not give a flying fuck if this guy gets murdered in prison or by a random member of the public. Sometimes it's just a feeling about what people deserve. And this guy frankly deserves to suffer like that little baby had to.